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Whats the official info on bind demon because I'm reading now +skill points dont count and you have to put points into bind demon to get super uniques with curse but that seems a bit wild to me and cant find anything official
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Whats the official info on bind demon because I'm reading now +skill points dont count and you have to put points into bind demon to get super uniques with curse but that seems a bit wild to me and cant find anything official


It scales (slvl for soft points, blvl for base points)

+64 base damage per slvl
+15% enhanced damage per slvl
chance to bind increases per slvl
unlocks upgrade to unique + extra strong, extra fast, spectral hit and aura enchanted at slvl 5/10/15/20, with unique at slvl 5 needed to glue TZ affixes onto a bound demon
chance to bind increases from synergy on deathmark per blvl
unlocks ability to target champions, uniques and superuniques at 10/15/20 blvl. Not sure when minions unlock, its either 10 or 15
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I have been running a hybrid tainted demin build with a lancer, tainted, and defiler and I like it quite a bit. Tainted need a lot of +skills to really shine, which I don't have yet.

I think defilers raise your chance to proc amp. When running cows I had two defilers up and my demon was amping quite a bit.

I rolled a fire enchanted, stone skin, cursed lancer with fanat in a p8 game. She is great so far and is naturally immune to fire/light. I don't have maxed oath yet, which is unfortunate, and my skills are low, so her hp is worse than it could be, but she seems quite tanky anyhow.

I've also been trying a Dreadfang barb merc and he helps, though usually the single tainted kills any PIs.
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  • S Tier: Spear Rogue (TZ > Matron > Reg)
  • A Tier: Urdar > Minion of Destruction > Vile Mother
  • B Tier: Goatman > Hephasto > Smith > Axe Rogue > Hell Buzzard
  • C Tier: Council > Balrog / Overseer / Putrid Defiler / Tainted > Flayer
  • F Tier: Fallen/Fetish Shaman > Siren > Fetish / Archer Rogue > Demon Imp > Succubi
  • Platinum SSS Hidden Tier: Pain Worm / Vile Child upgraded to unique via monster shrine so it has cursed


Rankings are only for true pokemon trainers not 1 pointer echoing strike builds that just need aura.
When you've got high blood oath the HP/damage difference on Hephasto and a Goatman is mostly irrelevant, they are both unkillable and 95% dps comes from the skill, but A5 tundra goats run 50% faster
If you just need a lowbie aura bot then the base HP really does matter and you can go grind river of flame every time you die, you take that long walk of shame
Rogues with shields have blocking but that makes them worse because they have an animation that interrupts them, better to just take damage.
Any monster that uses an ability that does nothing or has a defensive AI is wasting time not attacking. At least Vile Mothers bring a permanent set of meat shields with them, unlike Shamans
All ranged attacks are totally worthless.


One thing I noticed with my spear tard wife is that she does way more dmg to heralds and bosses when I cast lethargy sigil. Since all this does is reduce defense really, it makes me think her AR suffers a bit. Even with conviction and fana I notice a difference here. Lister seems to have attacks that always hit, and the delay between his strikes seems very small, less of a delay than my tard waifu anyway. Is this accurate at all? She is pretty good with the right affixes, but dps wise I am not sure she really does more than Lister vs high priority targets like Heralds.

Also, whats the consensus on Vigor for spearwaifu? I would prefer conc or fana, but the vigor does seem to help her and my a2 merc get shit down. Slight slowdown vs fana/conc, but she is LE and cursed p8 98tz elite, so I am unsure if I should try to reroll her. Been casting her on mobs and using lvl 1 blood boil to cause the bolts to proc amp, but most mobs are dead by the time they are amped anyway except heralds. The amp does help a lot with clear speed vs the phys + fire immunes types, but I don't think my merc and demon 1 shot high hp enemies while I am just holding teleport anymore like what was happening with conc.

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One thing I noticed with my spear tard wife is that she does way more dmg to heralds and bosses when I cast lethargy sigil. Since all this does is reduce defense really, it makes me think her AR suffers a bit. Even with conviction and fana I notice a difference here. Lister seems to have attacks that always hit, and the delay between his strikes seems very small, less of a delay than my tard waifu anyway. Is this accurate at all? She is pretty good with the right affixes, but dps wise I am not sure she really does more than Lister vs high priority targets like Heralds.

Also, whats the consensus on Vigor for spearwaifu? I would prefer conc or fana, but the vigor does seem to help her and my a2 merc get shit down. Slight slowdown vs fana/conc, but she is LE and cursed p8 98tz elite, so I am unsure if I should try to reroll her. Been casting her on mobs and using lvl 1 blood boil to cause the bolts to proc amp, but most mobs are dead by the time they are amped anyway except heralds. The amp does help a lot with clear speed vs the phys + fire immunes types, but I don't think my merc and demon 1 shot high hp enemies while I am just holding teleport anymore like what was happening with conc.


There's still the issue of player vs monster level difference, the level of a bind is set to the minimum of the monster level and your player level. So until level 96 you're always fighting uphill in TZ, since at most you're level 94 with level 96 tz, etc +2 level. And your bound demon will only be level 96 if you bind it in a TZ 96 while you're level 96+. if you bound a level 81 lancer in frigid, well its REALLY gonna struggle to hit level 96 monsters. And of course, once you upgrade to an infinity merc it helps your demon AR a ton.
Lister has 210% of monlvl base ar and gets no % ar from his smite skill. Spearzons have 140% of monlvl base ar, so lister is 50% higher, but they get huge bonus %ar on power/cold strike, and a fair amount of %ar on jab.
Once you have an infinity it drastically nerfs monster defense so that helps chance to hit quite a bit, but it won't overcome the level vs level penalty.


Holy freeze is critical for spreading amp and matters even if you're doing her for pure dps, since nothing boosts her dps more than proccing amp. Unless you run dreadfang merc. Otherwise concentration aura is the most +% ed (~270), while fanat may help her attack 1 frame faster, I'm not sure how the scaling works with jab sequence but mastery+engorge shouldn't cap out speed on its own- but fanat only gets its half damage % ed applied to monsters carrying the aura, unlike players who get the double % ed while using it.
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is Lister's smite skill the actual smite skill? ignore block, defense, uninterruptible? Seems like it.

I just switched from LE spearwaifu to HF, and what I notice is that amp procs more vs flayer type mobs, but LE seemed to actually provide a more robust amp coverage with my playstyle of tossing my demon on elite packs. What is nice is the slow from HF which combos excellently with lethargy sigil, and is making most herald groups fall pretty easily. With a 96tz p8 elite spearwoman she doesn't feel like she is at risk of dying to most heralds even. This feels like a big difference from the random spearlady I first bound who I kind of had to babysit a bit, which reduced my clear speed down.

Good info on fana vs conc. It felt like a much larger damage difference than it would be for a player swapping between the two. I think my ideal demon would probably be cursed + LE + HF/conc/fana/vigor in that order. Lister and spearwoman both are pretty solid if a little different. Still unsure about Urdars. They seem good on paper but feel pretty slow in practice.
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Still unsure about Urdars. They seem good on paper but feel pretty slow in practice.


Whenever I go from a spear lady to an urdar the difference in speed is crazy. It feels like a biiiig dps difference to me.

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Whenever I go from a spear lady to an urdar the difference in speed is crazy. It feels like a biiiig dps difference to me.


The speed of the initial strike and the fact they don't move after tele without player direction seems like it massively reduces dps potential. Lister similarly doesn't move after a tele, but he was always munching on monsters whenever I would tele thru a crowd. Feels like his action frame for his attack is fast enough for that. Urdar on the other hand I don't think can get a strike off from 125 fcr teles unless he is mid swing as you tele.

Getting a cursed Lister is a pia now, esp a p8 tz one, and even moreso one with a good aura and any other good affixes. His minions even with cursed won't apply amp either, so you need Lister himself. For this reason an elite tz or maybe uber spearbae seems like the better all around choice, for ease of access alone even. If I see a Lister that is LE and Cursed though, I might have to bench her for some boy and his dog time.

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is Lister's smite skill the actual smite skill? ignore block, defense, uninterruptible? Seems like it.

I just switched from LE spearwaifu to HF, and what I notice is that amp procs more vs flayer type mobs, but LE seemed to actually provide a more robust amp coverage with my playstyle of tossing my demon on elite packs. What is nice is the slow from HF which combos excellently with lethargy sigil, and is making most herald groups fall pretty easily. With a 96tz p8 elite spearwoman she doesn't feel like she is at risk of dying to most heralds even. This feels like a big difference from the random spearlady I first bound who I kind of had to babysit a bit, which reduced my clear speed down.

Good info on fana vs conc. It felt like a much larger damage difference than it would be for a player swapping between the two. I think my ideal demon would probably be cursed + LE + HF/conc/fana/vigor in that order. Lister and spearwoman both are pretty solid if a little different. Still unsure about Urdars. They seem good on paper but feel pretty slow in practice.


Monster smite, on summon grizzly, lister, urdars, etc is blockable. Only paladin smite is unlockable. Monsmite is just %ed, stun and knockback.
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May 26 2026 07:38pm
how about ar vs def check, and uninterruptible flag?

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