Quote (WhiteSouned @ May 26 2026 01:02pm)

Palestinians are not israelis

Quote (ferdia @ May 26 2026 02:57pm)

I will attempt to answer this one.

1. Mahmoud Abbas and Yasser Arafat – leaders of the Palestinian political mainstream – Arafat, as leader of the PLO, and Abbas, as leader of the Palestinian Authority, both represented the dominant Palestinian political current that engaged with the Oslo peace process and accepted a two-state framework based on mutual recognition with Israel in the 1990s. However, both operated under severe political constraints, ongoing conflict dynamics, Israeli security control in parts of the territories, and internal Palestinian political fragmentation, which limited the full implementation and development of the Oslo framework into a stable political settlement. It should be noted that senior Israeli political figures in government have expressed opposition to, or reduced support for, a two-state solution in recent years. It’s a fancy way to say that Oslo failed due to the Palestinian demand for the right to return. Look it up. That’s why Oslo was only a “framework” and not a concrete peace agreement.

2. Saying the current government is bad and that it will be replaced is not very helpful. For example, in England, the Conservative Party was in government for some time and was considered “bad” by many. It then lost the election by a landslide and Labour formed the new government. However, some people also consider the current government “bad”. The point I am making is that when one government replaces another, we cannot automatically expect things to get better, worse, or meaningfully different in Israel. Do you really expect settlement expansions to stop under a new government?
No. I expect them to manage the conflict better. Not to solve it. The conflict can be solved only through Palestinian compromises which I repeated several times

3. The reality is that Oct 7th was a terrorist attack, not a war. The Israeli response can be described as a war in Gaza. At the same time, settlement expansion in the West Bank continues today. Saying that Palestinians need to end their “war against Zionism” ignores the fact that the conflict is ongoing in the present, not only rooted in events from 70 years ago. It is not only about historical displacement; Palestinians are also affected by current developments, including continued settlement activity in the West Bank.
and it’ll happen again and again until they compromise and stop
With their fundamentalistic demands.

4. You speak about compensation for people being forced from their homes, but there is no clear Israeli state scheme that Palestinians can access for systematic compensation. The point I am making is that it is wrong to remove people from their homes regardless of historical context. If a Palestinian is forced from their home today, I would argue that those responsible should be held accountable — including settlers involved in illegal displacement, and any officials or security forces complicit in unlawful actions. It should be treated as a serious political and legal issue, because it affects people who are not combatants and are simply living their lives.
Maybe in some future agreement

5. I agree that Palestinians, and their descendants, who fled Israel 70 years ago should not necessarily have an automatic right of return. However, this raises a consistency question when there is also a legal framework that allows people from outside the region to move to Israel and gain citizenship based on identity or heritage connections. The core issue, to my mind, is the asymmetry in how “return” and belonging are defined and applied in these two cases.

Quote (ferdia @ May 26 2026 03:05pm)

What does the word Palestinian then mean ? is it like Jewish? not a national identity, but rather a religion? The reality is that Israel exercises a degree of power over Gaza and the West Bank with both regions living in international limbo. You say they are not Israeli's but by definition they are not Palestinians, because Palestine does not exist in the first place.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ May 26 2026 01:12pm)

Quote (WhiteSouned @ May 26 2026 01:15pm)

A group of people that define itself by that name.
That land once being called Palestine . I really don’t like this discussion because clearly both the Jews and Palestinians have history here to relate to.. and mostly because it just brings us nowhere.
So what is the point in your question ? Where are you getting at ?

Quote (ferdia @ May 26 2026 03:16pm)

Throw me a bone here - surely you still accept that the settler violence against peaceful people living in the west bank, is caused by settlers (or gov w/e) and that the people being terrorized have themselves personally committed no crime except the crime of existing. I am not talking about Hamas, or terrorists i am talking about normal people being driven out of their homes every day. how can you say it will happen again and again until they compromise and stop. stop what? they themselves are not guilty of the crimes of others.

Of course you are right in this. To my point of view at least. I’ll support whichever political power we have that will stop it. But the problem is more complex than that. Are you aware of the phenomena of Palestinians constructing empty houses just to seize disputed land? And yes, it will happen again and again since once you leave a situation unresolved you invite troubles. Let’s say it’s a crime and all settlers are criminals. Do you know any country which doesn’t have crime In it ? Is it something that you can end ?

What I am getting at here is that the Israeli Gov is knowingly expanding into the West Bank creating more reasons for Palestinians to turn to violence. Why expand into the west bank in the first place.

Quote (DocPhil @ 25 May 2026 07:03)

What i mean by Israel created Hamas is that the populations need to defend it self against an occupier and oppressor. It would be naive to think that you can occupy a territory for +80 years without conflict.
There's no easy way to ensure anything in free trade but evidence world wide suggests that ensuring free trade, and allowing women in the work place are two of the main factors in rapidly driving economic growth and if people have options they would not choose a death cult to join.
Israels however would rather just oppress and supress and your point with Israel leaving Gaza is just nonsense because by beginning 2006 all borders were basically completely shut and then free trade was not possible and how could Israel do that if they never left and how could they shut off all water and electricity post oct 7 without effort if they never controlled them to begin with...

Quote (gnarjay @ 28 May 2026 05:45)

sick sick sick

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