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May 21 2026 03:36pm
What manifestation are you talking about? Finding your car keys under the couch or materializing them in the palm of your hand?

Prayer/ wishing doesn't work there is nothing to explain.

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two realms. you only insist on one so everything is force fitted into one and it doesnt fit and it looks silly to you and you look silly to others
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May 21 2026 03:44pm
I didn't call him silly. I can't speak to his character. I've never met the guy. What I can speak to is his actions and statements.

These aren't my conclusions either. Science, math, and physics all back that up. It's simply truth there is intentional design in our universe. Now factor in that scale and apply how massive of a creator we have behind it all.

Then you apply Jesus. Proven, reliable, and trustworthy history and scripture and through personal experience being shown God is real.

I can now speak on what is fact and what is a matter of opinion. So I'll continue to speak to those facts, thank you.


Nope, neither science nor math or physics back up the claim of intentional design.

Jesus very likely existed. As a regular human. Thats the historical part of it.

You can have unreasonable opinions, no problem. But dont sell them as facts.
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May 21 2026 03:59pm
What manifestation are you talking about? Finding your car keys under the couch or materializing them in the palm of your hand?

Prayer/ wishing doesn't work there is nothing to explain.

https://imgur.com/VZj6ToQ.jpeg

https://imgur.com/F7uNQNq.jpeg

https://imgur.com/3tsk0Ig.jpeg


Ah you dodge the hard questions and result to insults. Nice try.
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May 21 2026 06:40pm
Nope, neither science nor math or physics back up the claim of intentional design.

Jesus very likely existed. As a regular human. Thats the historical part of it.

You can have unreasonable opinions, no problem. But dont sell them as facts.


So you don't agree with these examples?

Math - Planetary motion follows precise equations. Light, gravity, electricity, and quantum behavior all are modeled mathematically. Tiny mathematical constants govern the behavior of matter everywhere in the universe. There are literal math equations for these.

​Physics - PV=nRT. The universe is delicately calibrated for complexity and life. It's simply fine tuned.

Science - DNA contains highly ordered information. Genetic coding, error correction, regulatory systems, molecular machines. Systems such as the bacterial flagellum or cellular machinery are clearly engineered.

I'm assuming you believe everything above that has countless studies and observations are all "fake" to you. You can't tell me the human body isn't clear design. Grass, stars, matter, atoms... seriously the list goes on. There is so much in our observable universe that humans did not create and show very specific design and intelligence behind it. We have never been in a state of nothing where no matter, no energy, no space, no time, no laws, absolutely no reality at all.
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May 21 2026 06:50pm
Ah you dodge the hard questions and result to insults. Nice try.


What are you even talking about at this point? Prayer, wishful thinking manifestation doesn't work period case closed, put away the tinfoil hat.

If you insist prayer works which results in manifestation then you are welcome to demonstrate it. Take your phone and record yourself praying to your god to give you ability to fly then jump off a tall building while recording. If your prayer works you should be easily demonstrate flight as direct result.

Inb4 dodge
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May 21 2026 06:54pm
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two realms. you only insist on one so everything is force fitted into one and it doesnt fit and it looks silly to you and you look silly to others


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May 21 2026 07:00pm
What are you even talking about at this point? Prayer, wishful thinking manifestation doesn't work period case closed, put away the tinfoil hat.

If you insist prayer works which results in manifestation then you are welcome to demonstrate it. Take your phone and record yourself praying to your god to give you ability to fly then jump off a tall building while recording. If your prayer works you should be easily demonstrate flight as direct result.

Inb4 dodge


Countless testimonies of miracles following a prayer.

It's all just "coincidence excuses" or "lies".

1 Thessalonians 5:16–18

“Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”

James 5:16

“The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.”
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May 21 2026 08:01pm


Medical Miracles - Are they Real -and- Do Doctors Believe in Miracles?
- August 14, 2021
Are Medical Miracles real? - It would seem nearly 8 out of 10 Americans believe they are. In a recent survey 79% of American said they believe in miracles. What may be more surprising to many is the fact that 75% of doctors surveyed said they also believed in miracles. Even more surprising may be the fact 55% of doctors said they have seen miraculous results in their own patients.
https://www.exploringbible.com/2021/08/medical-miracles-are-they-real-and-do.html
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May 22 2026 03:34am
Then prayer becomes a placebo with extra steps. There is no higher power when you are talking about placebo like effects. If there was everyone would be cured of every illness. Unfortunately prayer has the same result or even lower chance working than a placebo its safe to say its all in your head.

Also you missed the entire point of this debate its not about the efficacy its about authenticity.


Well? You've had more than a day to respond. I posted early Morning, did the full day of work, went out, slept, did another full day at work, went out again and only just got home late at night. Where is your Hindu friend? You made them up didn't you? Do you know how else I know that other than your Hindu friend doesn't exist other than they are not here? Read the following:

A Hindu Approach To Overcoming Addiction
A Hindu approach to addiction treatment is distinctly religious, and it may emphasize overcoming addiction as a way of living in harmony with the dharma. For Hindus, addiction treatment may involve meditation and other spiritual exercises that complement a standard program of detox, treatment medication, and therapy. Since Hinduism is a religion which bestows importance on the welfare of the community, addiction experts believe that Hindus may benefit more from helping each other than from following self-oriented 12-step programs. However, the spiritual elements in a 12-step program could be helpful for some Hindus who want to rely upon a Higher Power while they make progress toward recovery.
https://www.addictioncenter.com/treatment/faith-based-drug-and-alcohol-rehab/hindu/

So that makes your counter claim redundant. You are the one who has been harping on about needing that physical evidence. Then you do double standards and make up an imaginary Hindu friend whom doesn't even follow the Hindu approach to Overcoming Addiction. It's almost like you didn't do any research prior.

You now need to face the fact that my original Use Case of Christ intervening and setting them free from alcoholism is quite a valid thing. So therefore the Bible has had it's claims demonstrated to be true.

By the way let's not dodge this as you are abandoning every single argument and fleeing to the next one.
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May 22 2026 10:13am
What are you even talking about at this point? Prayer, wishful thinking manifestation doesn't work period case closed, put away the tinfoil hat.

If you insist prayer works which results in manifestation then you are welcome to demonstrate it. Take your phone and record yourself praying to your god to give you ability to fly then jump off a tall building while recording. If your prayer works you should be easily demonstrate flight as direct result.

Inb4 dodge


Just so you are aware inciting or encouraging another person to attempt to commit an act of suicide like that is a criminal offense.
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