What he wrote doesn't actually contradict this. Netanyahu was clearly trying to pull off a divide and conquer strategy by keeping the Palestinians divided between Hamas in Gaza and Fatah in the West Bank.
This does not, however, contradict the obvious fact that allowing fuel and money from Qatar into Gaza was the only way to prevent a full-scale collapse and famine or civil war in Gaza, even if it was pretty obvious that most of the funding went into the pockets of Hamas.


Also, can we please acknowledge that Netanyahu was NOT the prime minister when the IDF withdrew from Gaza and Hamas seized power in 2005-07? By the time he returned to office in 2009, Hamas rule over Gaza was already deeply entrenched and impossible to root out without a large-scale and deadly ground invasion (i.e. the kind of campaign which was eventually launched in 2023). And with Hamas in control of Gaza, a two state solution was fundamentally impossible anyway if we're being honest. In reality, both Israelis and Palestinians have only been paying lip service to a two state solution for the past 15+ years to placate the global public and their respective international backers.

Hamas stated goal is the destruction of the state of israel. Netanyahu supported and funded that organization. This was not to appease them but to keep palestinians apart. It was not a show of mercy but a manipulative strategy.

Not sure what this acknowledgement serves. IDF did withdrew their troops from Gaza, but they have remained in control of airspace, electricity and water and from an international perspective trade has been impossible, so there has been no way for that society to thrive under any context. I would argue that's still then under occupation, and has been prior then since 1967.
A two state solution is very possible it would just be two different countries. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but ofc it can be done. It has been done and replicated throughout human history between countries, typically at odds, but now allies.

How dont see how am I wrong.

Its funny
not letting money in = collective punishment
Letting money in = supporting hamas.
Make your mind

Yeah I agree with what you wrote.
Though the phenomenon is not as broad as you describe it, but it does happens and it is not acceptable.
Hopefully we’ll elect a new gov soon and start the fixing.

I can see how you would misunderstand that because i think you're under the misconception that all gazans are Hamas. They are not.
Let me spell it out for you.
Giving money directly to hamas leaders = bad
Allowing international trade so that civilians can build up society and businesses for themselves and their neighbours = good
Even from an israeli point of view this would be better because if the Gazans get multiple options in their life they are much more likely to choose peace and a career than joining a fanatical sect.
When you rob people of their options and their land, and their freedom and their dignity and their kids, and wifes, and their loved ones they tend to fight back. Can't believe israel hasn't figured that out after fucking 80+ years unless the ultimate goal of israel is not peace at all but land.....

honest question, what is the hope of that? Who, or even which party, will come forward with a govt that will start to rehumanize the palestinians in the eyes of more israelis?

the greatest difference between the USA and Israel is the proportion of the population that needs to misbehave before a massive movement rises up against their bad behavior. in the USA if a white person calls a black person the N word it gets national attention and they'll be fired from their job and the thing will follow them forever. politicians who have racist or other bad statements are often run out of office. people in the streets saying vile things cause riots.

i see a few othrodox protests that get shut down, but i dont have hope that israel can moderate. especially because moderation requires peace. after gaza you got iran. after iran you'll get Lebanon. after Lebanon you'll get Turkey or god knows what else. then they'll just start revisiting places like Syria and Iraq to clean out the extremists they put in place. if you never get peace you never get a new govt.

but the sad part is all that i read seems to show even an alternative party isn't much better in this regard. who wants to shut down 3rd temple advocates? who wants to shut down settlements in the west bank? who wants to abandon publicly greater israel? who is even open to a 2 state solution? without solid progress on those fronts peace will never ever happen.

You are looking at this through a Western, textbook lens that completely ignores the reality of a totalitarian terror state.
You say, 'Allow international trade so civilians can build businesses.' How exactly do you do that when an armed jihadi group controls the territory? If you import steel for a civilian factory, Hamas takes it at gunpoint to build rockets. If you import concrete for a civilian building, Hamas seizes it to build military tunnels. Hamas literally dug up its own civilian water pipes to turn them into rocket shells and proudly posted videos of it online.
Your timeline is also backwards. When Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. The borders were open. The blockade by both Israel and Egypt only started after Hamas violently seized power in 2007 and began launching rockets. The restrictions were a defensive reaction to a terror state, not the cause of it.
Furthermore, if Israel’s ultimate goal was just 'grabbing land,' why did it forcefully evict 9,000 of its own citizens and dismantle every single settlement in Gaza in 2005? You don't pull out of 100% of a territory if your goal is to colonize it. Israel wanted a border. Hamas wanted a launchpad for genocide, and no amount of 'free trade' changes their radical ideology.

I was referring to gnarjay from last page, who wrote that Netanyahu propped up Hamas to sabotage peace. My retort is that Hamas seized power while Netanyahu was out of office and that peace was already impossible by the time he became PM again in 2009.

The rest of the world kept clinging to the optimistic idea of a two state solution and a proper peace process which would eventually lead to peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians. My point, fueled by quite some hindsight knowledge, is that this vision had, in fact, been a mirage all along. Peaceful coexistence with a neighboring state ruled by a genocidal death cult is fundamentally impossible. By 2009, peace or a two state solution were off the table, irrespective from whichever policies or actions Netanyahu pursued.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 20 2026 07:33pm

Israel has currently detained members of this year's flotilla, including some Irish citizens. However, it is not *grabbing* global media attention. the regulars, the UK, Germany, the EU Commission are basically turning a blind eye or a tepid response (basically Israel can do w/e it wants - just dont go full Tropic Thunder please for your own sake. Nobody should ever go full Tropic Thunder. Israel appears to have a lot of options here and may keep these people detained for some time noting the international noise is not very loud. From a historical context however the likely scenario is they will be released some time over the next 2 weeks. For Ireland its a bit tricky noting the current relationship between Ireland and Israel is the lowest it has ever been since the creation of Israel. i.e. there are some unknowns here.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 21 2026 02:14am

I agree Israel is a terror state.
You are so entrenced in your beliefs that all palestinians are hamas terrorists that you forget yourself. The reason we argue against the israeli government is because we are not against israelis. We recognize that even though a large part of the zionist movement now is genocidal in their rhetoric and behavior they are not necessarily guilty of it and we do believe that people, through exposure to truth can be redeemed. Yet you immediately cast off all aid and reason to any civilian in Gaza to build something themselves because Hamas will just take it. You rob them of independence and chance.
The time line is very much clear. Israel created Hamas, they would never have existed, or would only have existed in a limited capacity, if Israel had chosen peace. Israel then fed Hamas and will continue to feed Hamas because for alot of gazans now there's no other way to fight back against apartheid, genocide and cruelty. Israel has created it's own enemy and is now creating thousands upon thousands more in Iran, Lebanon, Syria and the rest of world. The circle of violence must stop.