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May 17 2026 07:11am
Logic is a human discovery/invention a mental tool to help us evaluate conclusions follow premises in a systematic framework. Aristotle defined it by setting formal standards or rules which are foundational assumptions. Logic in of itself is circuar because it relies on axioms or first principals.

We can have a meaningful critique on the validity of christianity by proving physical poof for it's claims. If you don't have proof then you cannot call it real. You may induce hallucinations within yourself and assume it to be real but without demonstrable proof you can't convince me.

So why are you avoiding giving proof for its magical claims?

Why do we use logic in the first place? Its to distinguish between valid reasoning vs invalid reasoning. Why do I ask you for physical demonstrable proof? Because it tends to be reliable form of validity. Much more than haresay or faulty logic which are weak arguments. If you have both strong logical argument, physical proof and a demonstration that can be observed, measured, felt and corroborated by multiple independent sources including myself then we call it real.


So I ask you to present concrete proof of your god not epistomology or theory of knowledge or whatever philosophical meta conversation tangent you trying derail this conversation into.


the blade of grass i wave in your face.

Corellation doesnt equal causation stop arguing from ignorance people.

Just because you see butterflies doesn't mean a magical being created them. Just because you prayed to jesus doesn't mean your alcohol addiction went away. Just because you found your car keys doesn't mean god made them visible to you.
Christians naively say "life can't just be an accident and so I am convinced it was made by a magical entity"

You need to be able to explain how you arrived at that conclusion, make a sound logical connection or an emperical scientific method. Is it pure ignorance/blind faith or was there some concrete proof?

https://imgur.com/t3fyQJR.jpeg

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the correct expression is "correlation does not necessarily equal causation" 'atheist frauds always misquote it so they can make an illusion of a sound argument but its just another lie
an example
smoking had a corralation with lung cancer and it was causing lung cancer

my alchol addiction went away, get over it

your first meme is just a biching about classification
the first one
i like to do the bug one. a inscet has four legs and 2 arms :)

the second one proves your ignorant what scripture is saying. scripture predicts you will be ignorant about what scripture is saying. which means you prove scripture.
and lets be honest about it. your always proving how ignorant you are about scripture so all day long you prove scripture.

the 3rd one
also proves you bad at science


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May 17 2026 07:38am
Why do I ask you for physical demonstrable proof? Because it tends to be reliable form of validity. Much more than haresay or faulty logic which are weak arguments. If you have both strong logical argument, physical proof and a demonstration that can be observed, measured, felt and corroborated by multiple independent sources including myself then we call it real.



You seem very curious. Maybe you should try pinpoint why your mind doesn't think like ours does here. Instead of dismissing. Were your ancestors heavily religions like mine? If not you might not have inherited this in your actual DNA or your makeup. Or maybe there are certain life experiences you haven't had?
If you do want to access this other 'realm' of understanding there may be ways you can do it still though that don't involve going to church or reading scripture.
Through meditation, through a near death experience, through certain drugs, through alternative foods, practicing lucid dreaming, sensory deprivation, solitary confinement, sorcery/wizardry etc.
Tapping into these states of mind can open up your understanding of religion.
Some people can do this naturally or enjoy doing them but for others it's forced. Maybe forcing it upon you won't work idk...
You may be the type that prefers to appreciate things by external experiences rather than internal. Like holidays, climbing mountains, plane flights, telescopes etc.
You do seem curious as to how our minds think so I've given you some examples though. My life has involved all of those examples. Maybe this might help you understand how I grasp certain things that you may not when it comes to religious concepts. And if you want to dive into them yourself at least you know some avenues that might make you go 'ahhhhh now I get it'.

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May 17 2026 08:39am
i found this observation amusing.
all the other religions point to christianity
....addone only points to christianity (addone ever bich about any other religion ........ever?)
what could it all mean :)





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May 17 2026 10:07am
Logic is a human discovery/invention a mental tool to help us evaluate conclusions follow premises in a systematic framework. Aristotle defined it by setting formal standards or rules which are foundational assumptions. Logic in of itself is circuar because it relies on axioms or first principals.

We can have a meaningful critique on the validity of christianity by proving physical poof for it's claims. If you don't have proof then you cannot call it real. You may induce hallucinations within yourself and assume it to be real but without demonstrable proof you can't convince me.

So why are you avoiding giving proof for its magical claims?

Why do we use logic in the first place? Its to distinguish between valid reasoning vs invalid reasoning. Why do I ask you for physical demonstrable proof? Because it tends to be reliable form of validity. Much more than haresay or faulty logic which are weak arguments. If you have both strong logical argument, physical proof and a demonstration that can be observed, measured, felt and corroborated by multiple independent sources including myself then we call it real.


So I ask you to present concrete proof of your god not epistomology or theory of knowledge or whatever philosophical meta conversation tangent you trying derail this conversation into.


is it a discovery or invention? how do you arbitrarily jump to accepting axioms and accepting induction?

if it's only a mental tool we have no way of knowing it applies to the real world, so is it a mental tool or is universal and invariant
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May 17 2026 02:38pm
the blade of grass i wave in your face.



the correct expression is "correlation does not necessarily equal causation" 'atheist frauds always misquote it so they can make an illusion of a sound argument but its just another lie
an example
smoking had a corralation with lung cancer and it was causing lung cancer

my alchol addiction went away, get over it

your first meme is just a biching about classification
the first one
i like to do the bug one. a inscet has four legs and 2 arms :)

the second one proves your ignorant what scripture is saying. scripture predicts you will be ignorant about what scripture is saying. which means you prove scripture.
and lets be honest about it. your always proving how ignorant you are about scripture so all day long you prove scripture.

the 3rd one
also proves you bad at science


Tistuff you must be having a crisis trying to justify so many contradictions.

I find it amuzing especially how you rearrange dictionary definitions when they don't align with your feelings.

Still haven't explained how you determined blade of grass is proof of god or your alcoholism is the direct and unequivocally because of jesus. Pure blind faith and confirmation bias.

You seem very curious. Maybe you should try pinpoint why your mind doesn't think like ours does here. Instead of dismissing. Were your ancestors heavily religions like mine? If not you might not have inherited this in your actual DNA or your makeup. Or maybe there are certain life experiences you haven't had?
If you do want to access this other 'realm' of understanding there may be ways you can do it still though that don't involve going to church or reading scripture.
Through meditation, through a near death experience, through certain drugs, through alternative foods, practicing lucid dreaming, sensory deprivation, solitary confinement, sorcery/wizardry etc.
Tapping into these states of mind can open up your understanding of religion.
Some people can do this naturally or enjoy doing them but for others it's forced. Maybe forcing it upon you won't work idk...
You may be the type that prefers to appreciate things by external experiences rather than internal. Like holidays, climbing mountains, plane flights, telescopes etc.
You do seem curious as to how our minds think so I've given you some examples though. My life has involved all of those examples. Maybe this might help you understand how I grasp certain things that you may not when it comes to religious concepts. And if you want to dive into them yourself at least you know some avenues that might make you go 'ahhhhh now I get it'.


It's simple I don't take magic at face value, my mind isn't guillable like yours. I require rigorous proof and sound logic complimentary to the claim being made. The more grandiose the claim the more extraordinary the evidence has to be.

Let me demonstrate how it works.
Do you believe every single god and deity exists from every known religion or mythology?
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May 17 2026 03:44pm

It's simple I don't take magic at face value, my mind isn't guillable like yours. I require rigorous proof and sound logic complimentary to the claim being made. The more grandiose the claim the more extraordinary the evidence has to be.

Let me demonstrate how it works.
Do you believe every single god and deity exists from every known religion or mythology?


Like I said I can grasp religious concepts. It's not a matter of 'belief' it's a matter of understanding or experience.
You're not going to answer your queries unless you 'practice'.
If you want to play a music instrument you aren't going to be able to do it without practicing.
Not unless it comes naturally to you which clearly these concepts don't.

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May 17 2026 04:26pm
Like I said I can grasp religious concepts. It's not a matter of 'belief' it's a matter of understanding or experience.
You're not going to answer your queries unless you 'practice'.
If you want to play a music instrument you aren't going to be able to do it without practicing.
Not unless it comes naturally to you which clearly these concepts don't.


You are conflating understanding with truth.
I am perfectly capable of understanding religion i just don't agree that its true. Just like I can read and understand lord of the rings trilogy but think its fiction.

You can practice religion until you are blue in the face doesn't mean its true.


So I ask again

Do you believe every single god and deity exists from every known religion or mythology?
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May 17 2026 07:34pm
Tistuff you must be having a crisis trying to justify so many contradictions.

I find it amuzing especially how you rearrange dictionary definitions when they don't align with your feelings.

Still haven't explained how you determined blade of grass is proof of god or your alcoholism is the direct and unequivocally because of jesus. Pure blind faith and confirmation bias.


scripture describes your condition.

faith simply means trust

it used to be the 'atheists would boast and brag about abiogenesis/'evolution as the explanation for creation. the advancement of science we know now thats impossible.
o how you rage at the idea of a mind behind creation but some how you know better that say its 'evolution

standing up from prayer and the feeling that came with being freed from alcohol. the biggest mystery is you actually believe you can compete with that.
a mighty faith in yourself, i agree with your definition of faith when its used in this context.

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May 17 2026 09:22pm
scripture describes your condition.

faith simply means trust

it used to be the 'atheists would boast and brag about abiogenesis/'evolution as the explanation for creation. the advancement of science we know now thats impossible.
o how you rage at the idea of a mind behind creation but some how you know better that say its 'evolution

standing up from prayer and the feeling that came with being freed from alcohol. the biggest mystery is you actually believe you can compete with that.
a mighty faith in yourself, i agree with your definition of faith when its used in this context.


You were freed from alcohol? Who imprisoned you? Take some accountability for once also stop rambling word salads they aren't helping you in the slightest.

While you at it maybe you can explain how a blade of grass is proof of god. Get busy.
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May 17 2026 09:56pm
It's religious word salad I am not going to hurt my brain trying to decode it. You haven't made an argument or presented any falsifiable evidence. Wasting everyone's time.
Come back when you can form a real argument and proof in hand not whatever this is.

Validity vs Soundness article
https://iep.utm.edu/val-snd/


No, no, no, I was interested in knowing your thought process, or in this particular case lack thereof. So you will not take any time whatsoever to do any form of investigation or understanding.

In which case the mystery will be closed to you until you decide to actually use that organ in-between your ears. I know what it is like to not understand something but then ask questions and have it explained to me.

I am quite worried that you have not learned this basic concept at this stage in your life.
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