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May 12 2026 02:58pm
An interesting documentary regarding why our lifespan was drastically reduced from 900+ Years to where we are today. Will watch part 2 later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LEX9msVN-s


No, there is no scientific or historical evidence that humans ever lived for hundreds of years. Skeletal remains and fossil records consistently show that average lifespans in antiquity were approximately 30 to 40 years, with most commonly dying before age 50.
This is the most tinfoil AI slop I've seen this week. Lifespan doesn't go from 950 years down to 50 overnight from a flood.

How did kangaroo migrate from middle east to Australia in your so called story? So unless you are willing to concede it is an allegorical/metaphorical story you need to produce receipts for all the things like, archeological, geological, biological, historical, logistical etc.

Just knowing basics of animals husbandry would make it impossible for all animals to be crammed into a boat like sardines and expecting them to survive for over a year.

what is your worldview and how does it justify the possibility of the preconditions of logic?


The presuppositional apologetic strikes again with circular reasoning and fideism.
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May 12 2026 03:27pm
Atheism as a concept has nothing to do intrinsically with evolutionary biology so I dont know why you yap to me trivial stuffs I can just ask a PhD biologist colleague at UTokyo about. While odd, there is no inherent contradiction with the concept of an atheist denying evolutionary biology as it was presented originally by Darwin. Science as a discipline is currently built on falsifiability. There is along history why is it this way going way back from Humean induction problem. If you think you know better than contemporary/current researchers in this field, you are always free to publish your own thoughts for peer review.

You dont group people as such. The greatest logician in history, Kurt Godel, is a theist. Doesnt mean every theist is as smart as him.

Since you seem to have such great confidence about your understanding of science, how deep is your understanding of at least the formal mathematics behind most of modern physics ? If you dont know at the very least differential geometry, topology, group theory etc then you are not as informed as you think you are

Calculus and newtonian mechanics are kindergarten games to grad level physics


whats false about my post? specifically?

This old man in the vid hasn’t touched a mathematics paper in his life. You speak to a real logician who scrutinize the fundamentals of other fields and your response so far was incoherent writing and a YouTubevideo of a cranky old man with 0 idea of what he's talking about. I was 16 when I've read papers Stephen Hawking called 'very difficult' in his writings so pre-academia I'm quite overturned like the warlock. It is kinda insulting that the best argument you have here is a youtube video of someone I will literally eat alive in a logical argument.

Peer review does not mean 'everybody agrees X is correct". It means the paper meets the minimum standard for rigour, coherence, and even consistency. This isn't intersubjective agreement, especially for mathematics.

Peer review efficiently weeds out the cranks (someone who persistently and annoyingly promotes ideas that claim to overturn established knowledge but fail basic standards of reasoning, evidence, or mathematical rigor). A large volume of submissions to journals, universities, and researchers come from people who sincerely believe they have overturned modern physics, solved impossible problems, or disproved established mathematics while severely lacking the technical, most basic background needed to even attempt at not failing at grad school. We get these people a lot. These insane discoveries in science and mathematics do indeed require thinking 'outside the box' but one must also understand what is already 'in the box'. Revolutionary science is never produced by ignorance of the field. In other words I usually test people how much they understand the fundamentals first. You cannot do research in modern physics without the most basic of the basic of the mathematics required to even comprehend the most basic of the basic of concepts enough to have a chance not to fail grad school. So it's a simple question, how much topology, vector algebra, functional analysis, and differential geometry do you know?


you miss the point of the vid entirely. he is claiming kids out of university have no thought process of their own. they defer to "peer review" as some kind of gospel.

curious my list doesnt include RNA world hypothesis. a "peer" reviewed paper so bad it was retracted when tested
1980's rna world hypothesis
RNA WORLD HYPOTHESIS was the 'atheists answer to abiogenesis. O and how smug the 'atheists guffawing and pushing it in everyones face.
the lack of being scientific rigorous when the experiment (that was already passed peer reviewed)was tested for "repeatable" it miserably failed and was retracted.
the 'atheist clown show repeated it self once again. being sloppy in science methodology and now has contaminated the peer review process.
but i can give some credit as the person responsible for the paper said in a rare honest moment rarely seen in 'atheist science
The authors—one of them a Nobel Laureate—later confessed, “In retrospect, we were totally blinded by our belief” and “we were not as careful or rigorous as we should have been.

‘RNA World’ Paper Retracted
https://larshaukeland.com/bits-pieces/scientific-articles/rna-world-paper-retracted/

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May 12 2026 03:28pm
No, there is no scientific or historical evidence that humans ever lived for hundreds of years. Skeletal remains and fossil records consistently show that average lifespans in antiquity were approximately 30 to 40 years, with most commonly dying before age 50.
This is the most tinfoil AI slop I've seen this week. Lifespan doesn't go from 950 years down to 50 overnight from a flood.

How did kangaroo migrate from middle east to Australia in your so called story? So unless you are willing to concede it is an allegorical/metaphorical story you need to produce receipts for all the things like, archeological, geological, biological, historical, logistical etc.

Just knowing basics of animals husbandry would make it impossible for all animals to be crammed into a boat like sardines and expecting them to survive for over a year.



The presuppositional apologetic strikes again with circular reasoning and fideism.


It's already been explained how animals fit in the ark.

You are still on this?

You would think you'd move on to different arguments after being corrected. Especially onto arguments you ignored.
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May 12 2026 03:59pm
whats false about my post? specifically?

It is literally in the first line: atheism by itself has nothing to do intrinsically with evolutionary biology. You grouped atheists as people who believe in evolution by default.

you miss the point of the vid entirely. he is claiming kids out of university have no thought process of their own. they defer to "peer review" as some kind of gospel.


He is wrong with the idea of peer review, especially for the formal sciences. Most people are conformists regardless of whether they are formally educated or not so he's got 0 point there. The majority of original thinkers in science, mathematics, and philosophy came directly out of academic systems while still producing independent and revolutionary ideas. One thing is common with all of them: deep mastery of the already existing field. There is no revolutionary idea in physics without first knowing what has already been discussed. A troglodyte can't get out of his cave and recreate General Relativity and differential geometry rigorously out of thin air. Kant didn't write his epistemology out of nothing. He knows the existing problems of rationalism and empiricism (the dominant systems of his time). Expertise begins with learning what is already known before attempting to transcend it.

Again, scientists themselves usually do not treat peer review as absolute gospel. It is a filtering mechanism. Writing about physics or mathematics without the necessary background in mathematics and logic is like serving Gordon Ramsay a plate of lava and insisting he taste it seriously. Scientific results being proven wrong is normal. Falsifiability is the current answer to demarcation. Nat. science is not meant to be valid 'a priori' in the epistemological sense, unlike mathematics.

Again it's a simple question, how much do you understand a well-established scientific result, say, general relativity? It is simply dishonest to claim scientists don't know what they're doing if you can't even explain the basics of relativity or at least the math behind it. What is the fundamental theorem of Riemmanian Geometry?


//RNA WORLD HYPOTHESIS was the 'atheists answer to abiogenesis.//

There is no inherent contradiction within the concept of an atheist disregarding abiogenesis.

Your reasoning is honestly riddled with elementary mistakes. I'm not even an atheist myself but sure you guys make us look bad.

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May 12 2026 04:37pm
No, there is no scientific or historical evidence that humans ever lived for hundreds of years. Skeletal remains and fossil records consistently show that average lifespans in antiquity were approximately 30 to 40 years, with most commonly dying before age 50.
This is the most tinfoil AI slop I've seen this week. Lifespan doesn't go from 950 years down to 50 overnight from a flood.

How did kangaroo migrate from middle east to Australia in your so called story? So unless you are willing to concede it is an allegorical/metaphorical story you need to produce receipts for all the things like, archeological, geological, biological, historical, logistical etc.

Just knowing basics of animals husbandry would make it impossible for all animals to be crammed into a boat like sardines and expecting them to survive for over a year.



The presuppositional apologetic strikes again with circular reasoning and fideism.


what makes my reasoning circular and why is that bad?

how is it fideism if I am asking for a rational justification for the preconditions of logic? I am explicitly asking for justification, this would be very much quite using reasoning. You should stop using terms you have zero understanding of.
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May 12 2026 04:42pm
what is your worldview and how does it justify the possibility of the preconditions of logic?


Well I do believe god exists. For logic you can do it without any volume of metaphysics; this leads to the modern results such as the completeness theorem (without which we would be doing mathematics quite differently). Anyway this is my last response here since my LVL 98 character just DIED and lost exp replying to this guy who conflates atheism with abiogenesis and evolution. Have fun yall
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May 12 2026 04:45pm
It's already been explained how animals fit in the ark.

You are still on this?

You would think you'd move on to different arguments after being corrected. Especially onto arguments you ignored.


It wasn't
Its logistically impossible to fit all pairs of animals on a ship, people, the food and resources required for over a year.

In terms of volume, the Ark had approximately 1.5 million cubic feet of space, which is comparable to the storage capacity of 450 to 570 modern semi-trailers or 569 railroad cars. Its floor space across three decks exceeded 100,000 square feet, roughly the size of 21 college basketball courts.





A modern zoo cannot accommodate that many. Its like trying to fit 2 football teams and their coaching staff into a single mini.
Also how did the penguins travel to middle east in order to get on the ark?
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May 12 2026 04:52pm
Well I do believe god exists. For logic you can do it without any volume of metaphysics; this leads to the modern results such as the completeness theorem (without which we would be doing mathematics quite differently). Anyway this is my last response here since my LVL 98 character just DIED and lost exp replying to this guy who conflates atheism with abiogenesis and evolution. Have fun yall


I didn't ask if you can use logic, I asked what is the precondition of logic itself. godel's theorem does not explain the ontological status of the laws of logic itself or give a justification of them. godel's theory reveals the limitations of axiomatic systems, which is why i'm asking for the justification for the preconditions of these laws themselves

which God do you believe in? I would like to know how your worldview, if not Christianity, deals with such problems as the possibility of the preconditions of intelligibility, the problem of the one and the many, and others. You mentioned Kant, he focuses on transcendentals but his grounding is weak and he fails to bridge the gap of the one and the many.

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May 12 2026 05:03pm
I didn't ask if you can use logic, I asked what is the precondition of logic itself. godel's theorem does not explain the ontological status of the laws of logic itself or give a justification of them. godel's theory reveals the limitations of axiomatic systems, which is why i'm asking for the justification for the preconditions of these laws themselves

which God do you believe in? I would like to know how your worldview, if not Christianity, deals with such problems as the possibility of the preconditions of ineligibility, the problem of the one and the many, and others. You mentioned Kant, he focuses on transcendentals but his grounding is weak and he fails to bridge the gap of the one and the many.


Logic doesn't presuppose any metaphysics by itself, nor it needs to. This has the advantage of abstraction and applications to formal mathematics.

You're incorrect about Godel's theorem. He proved the ff:

1) Completeness theorem for first order logic (his phd thesis)

2) Incompleteness theorem (this refers to a formal system with a volume of arithmetic i.e. representability of recursive functions)

I'm talking about #1 so you already conflated these two. As i've said on my previous posts I hate dealing with ignorant people talking about fields they dont study themselves well. I am more than aware of these presuppositions, but I'd really rather deal with someone who understand basic results in formal logic like Plantinga.

Since you've mentioned Kant, what kant meant by 'transcendental logic' vs 'general logic'? His transcendental isn't your 'transcendental' in the dictionary meaning of it. Same with his notion of intuition (badly translated "anshauung")

Of coursegodel's theorem does not explain the ontological status of the laws of logic. It's not even about ontology. You haven't read his 1931 paper don't you? In modern math this is just a fixed point theorem in a Topos (see Category Theory)

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May 12 2026 05:34pm
what makes my reasoning circular and why is that bad?

how is it fideism if I am asking for a rational justification for the preconditions of logic? I am explicitly asking for justification, this would be very much quite using reasoning. You should stop using terms you have zero understanding of.


Attempting to justify reason is circular.
The act of seeking a justification already presupposes the validity of reasoning. Therefore, the practice of reason-giving is treated as a foundational framework that cannot be proven outside of itself, but must be accepted as a condition for rational thought.

Also when are you going to get to the part where you entertain us with proof for your god's existence? All I am hearing you talk around the main subject matter with presuppositional meta conversations. We have been over this many times where are your receipts? Stop dodging
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