If you find some scribbles with a sharpie on a wall of a public bathroom saying "jesus was here" does that need examination? If you dismiss hearsay then you are dismissing history Hearsay is unreliable especially when magic/miracles and planet altering events are claimed. You would be a fool to believe these things happened on anonymous or secondhand rumors. Hearsay alone is not sufficient there needs to be substantial amount of it complimentary to the claim. If hearsay claimmed Julius Caeser had a cat then I wouldn't really question it too much. If hearsay claimed Julius Caesar had a magical cat that could transform into a tiger I would be extremely skeptical.

Tacitus and Josephus are second hand accounts at best that have no way of corroborating actual events that may or may not have transpired. Secondly they don't even attempt to prove a flying pig they merely allude that a pig existed.
When will you get it that no one is interested in that christian cult existed or even a regular guy named jesus "christus" existing. All you are doing is pointing to evidence of a pig but showing no evidence to a pig having magical ability to fly.

The letters of Paul and Gospels are literally books that make up the bible essentially you are quoting the bible to prove the bible. Christians claiming their god is real based on the book they wrote will never not be funny.
Whats interesting to note here is the Gospels are written anonymously many decades/centuries after the events supposedly happened. They were accounts of unverified authors writing about what they thought the people who supposedly seen and witnessed jesus. Thats like saying I have a friend that has a cousin who works in CIA who heard a rumor that pigs could fly. This is even firsthand hearsay its second or third.

Other than quoting me non independent secondhand rumors what other evidence or proof do you have of resurrection. (When I say resurrection i don't mean show me the pig I am only interested in the "flying"part







This post was edited by addone on May 2 2026 06:02pm

Sharpies didn't exist during that time, so why would we make the claim a sharpie written message was Jesus himself?

You honestly can't come up with a real argument.

What if jesus returned like its claimed in the bible? For all you know it could of been the second coming very inconsistent of you to dismiss the evidence like that.

This post was edited by addone on May 2 2026 06:57pm

Can you show me where in the bible it talks about Jesus writing on bathroom walls during his second coming that hasn't occurred yet?

Well you have no way of knowing he wrote on the bathroom wall yet unless you believe the evidence.
Revelation 3:12

Why don't you believe that jesus was in the bathroom? Do you imagine he only does his business in the forrest? Its evidence and you are dismissing it, shame on you.

Certain passages are allegorical/mythical but not the whole of scripture. It is a combination of both. Duality exists in all scripture like this. Jerusalem is still a real place remember.
I think you haven't read much scripture or your queries on these topics wouldn't exist. I'll explain a bit further in hopes it helps you understand.

Like you are talking about the floods and dinosaurs in your comments as talking points right?

With the floods there is physical evidence to back this up. Scientific evidence. For example the sea shells in Coober Pedy in the middle of Australia. Or inland seas like lake Eyre there too. Flood are not a good example of myths as I mentioned before it is present in Egyptian scripture aswell as Christian and science. The ark fitting all species on the planet is a good example of allegorical use but not the floods themselves.

And you talk about dinosaurs too in science. In scripture there are phrases that talk about these animals too.

"In olden times, there were spawned great monsters and beasts in
fearful form, with frightful gnashing teeth and long ripping claws; an
elephant was but a rat in comparison with them."

" There were butterflies like birds and spiders as large as the outstretched arms of a man."

You could take these phrases as mythological too but there is evidence to back these claims up with certain species too. That's why you need both science and religion to understand.

The resurrection of Christ yes this is allegorical at times. But the solstice is not. You need to combine astrology with scripture to understand this meaning. For example comas. The word coma crosses over into astrology aswell as medical science. So does the word 'Sun' and 'Son'. Piece this together you will have your understandings on how to draw a conclusion on that topic. A coma is real in science but not in scripture? Think again.

I think the problem is you may not have actually read much scripture...if you did you would recognize these parallels and not be trying to offend those who do.
For another example you may use the word 'universe' in science and think that is ok. But when someone uses the word 'God' to represent the same understanding you don't seem to get it. Be careful not to contradict like this.

The problem lies in cherrypicking information and labeling something allegorical when its convenient. When the evidence doesn't support the claims it becomes a metaphor if there is enough plausibility then christian appologists err on the side it was real.
This is intellectual cowardice. We have proof of this when the christian community was adamant on insisting the earth was a center of the universe. When science proved that it wasn't they changed their interpretation they didn't admit they were wrong or apologize for deceptive information. They didn't change their beliefs for several hundred years not so much because it was a logical thing to do. No they changed because the congregation numbers began to dwindle. The church coffers ran dry.

It was a business decision and money prevailed. Truth and facts are secondary to the bottom line. You take away the business component by taxing churches and donations and demand receipts for the invisible product they are selling then christianity will fall away by the way side like many other religions. To historical myths not as facts.

sounds like your making chit up again.............

in a previous post you were hypothetically reading stuff on bath room walls and mumbo jumboing some kind of secret woowoo

your the biggest magic person here

hey look at what i found? center of universe is about 'atheists
Metaphorical Meaning: In modern usage, it describes someone who believes they are the most important person in the world, often with an inflated sense of self-importance and a need for constant attention.

a fundamental difference between a christian and a 'atheist
a christian would say "there is something greater than i"
while a 'atheist would say "nothing greater than i"

This post was edited by TiStuff on May 2 2026 10:49pm

If you are struggling to keep up ask grok or chat gpt to explain it to you. Here maybe you can understand this.

Science hasn't proven anything as far as that goes.
Only about 30% of Christians attend church anyway...the bulk of them have nothing to do with the church like myself.
I could say the same thing about NASA too like you are with the church though. They have a budget of what 25 billion? Be careful not to contradict yourself here.