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May 2 2026 12:42pm
Echoing Strike or Demon build for next ladder :

What is the cheap builds/skills to start next season .
Which merc and bind demon also

Thank you for all answers :)
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May 2 2026 12:44pm
Echoing Strike. Leave those poor creatures alone.
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May 2 2026 12:49pm
Echoing strike was nerfed into the ground
Demon got some absurdly huge buffs but also some pretty big nerfs

As a result the max tainted blood boil build is pretty easily the best build in the entire game on PTR, unless they change anything further. Since blood boil still has the same actual aoe it does, the listed patchnote nerf to "4 range" would utterly wreck the skill and make it unusable but they simply didn't actually change it, just the tooltip
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May 2 2026 12:56pm
also for a build the standard pending any unlisted changes would be:


mang songs (defenders fire)
enigma
ars baalos (facet)
+3 demon / 20 fcr / 2 socket diadem (2x facet)
+2 warlock / 15+ fcr crafted ammy
magefist
arach
2x opalvein
resist boots (I guess wraithstep but cmon you need resists somewhere)
cta + eth monarch spirit swap
demon skillers, renewed sunder, torch, anni, life/res scs
a2 merc with infinity + cure + coh (or my personal, greyform + uber phys jewel). Can be holy freeze, might, defiance even, depends on preference.

20 blood boil, 20 summon tainted, 20 blood oath, 20 engorge, 20 demonic mastery, 0 consume (you get it from baalos), 0 bind demon (don't use it), 1 hex siphon (can't get from cta swap). Optional 1 sigil death, because in PTR sigil lethargy does literally nothing anymore, but it would be better if it worked
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also for a build the standard pending any unlisted changes would be:


mang songs (defenders fire)
enigma
ars baalos (facet)
+3 demon / 20 fcr / 2 socket diadem (2x facet)
+2 warlock / 15+ fcr crafted ammy
magefist
arach
2x opalvein
resist boots (I guess wraithstep but cmon you need resists somewhere)
cta + eth monarch spirit swap
demon skillers, renewed sunder, torch, anni, life/res scs
a2 merc with infinity + cure + coh (or my personal, greyform + uber phys jewel). Can be holy freeze, might, defiance even, depends on preference.

20 blood boil, 20 summon tainted, 20 blood oath, 20 engorge, 20 demonic mastery, 0 consume (you get it from baalos), 0 bind demon (don't use it), 1 hex siphon (can't get from cta swap). Optional 1 sigil death, because in PTR sigil lethargy does literally nothing anymore, but it would be better if it worked
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May 2 2026 01:12pm
also for a build the standard pending any unlisted changes would be:


mang songs (defenders fire)
enigma
ars baalos (facet)
+3 demon / 20 fcr / 2 socket diadem (2x facet)
+2 warlock / 15+ fcr crafted ammy
magefist
arach
2x opalvein
resist boots (I guess wraithstep but cmon you need resists somewhere)
cta + eth monarch spirit swap
demon skillers, renewed sunder, torch, anni, life/res scs
a2 merc with infinity + cure + coh (or my personal, greyform + uber phys jewel). Can be holy freeze, might, defiance even, depends on preference.

20 blood boil, 20 summon tainted, 20 blood oath, 20 engorge, 20 demonic mastery, 0 consume (you get it from baalos), 0 bind demon (don't use it), 1 hex siphon (can't get from cta swap). Optional 1 sigil death, because in PTR sigil lethargy does literally nothing anymore, but it would be better if it worked


What’s tainted damage on this
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May 2 2026 01:46pm
What’s tainted damage on this


about tree fiddy
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Seems way too strong then
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May 2 2026 02:13pm
What’s tainted damage on this


You can summon them normally or you can prebuff at the start of the game with swap gear
You MUST keep sunder in inventory when tainted are summoned for them to benefit it from it, putting sunder on after summoning a tainted = tainted doesn't get the immunity broken
so mang songs (or +6 dagger), enigma, +3 helm, +5-6 tome, +3 ammy, 2x soj, arach, wraithstep, 8x skillers, sunder, torch, anni and BC active

You can hit about 46k damage tainted with prebuff, 34-36k without
And they fire at 22 fpa after +% ias from engorge, while you cast at 9 fpa
Blood boil damage is 4.9k phys + 7.4k fire without consume, with consume its 8.3k fire, and -40% / -55% fire pierce, then your defilers should also be 56% multiplier and ~36 LAEK/MAEK on hex siphon (up to 56/42 after enigma/opalveins), but they don't trigger off tainted kills just blood boil


And in case you missed it, the biggest shortcoming is lack of fire pierce vs immunes on tainted. The only pierce they get is the -17% from conviction on merc, so immunes are at 78% fire resist vs tainted+merc, while against blood boil they're at 33-50% dr and 23-38% fr. And if your merc dies the tainted are only hitting immunes at 95% fire resist so its a bit an issue with heralds

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 2 2026 02:17pm
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May 2 2026 02:33pm
We enjoyed echoing at it’s best, we’ll never forget it, but shes dead now. go summon next ladder pending any further changes.
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