No its not seperate discussion it is the primary discussion.

We were talking about the resurrection, all the magical miracles and the claim that jesus is god.

You are going out of your way to focus on the non magical aspects in the hopes that will somehow prove the magical claims of the Bible.

Why are you wasting everyone's time? So either you get to the magical proof or be forced to admit that you don't have it.

Finally come to terms? I didn't come to this realization that the Earth was a Globe. I have understood this even before I was a Christian. You're acting like you have a "gotcha" on me here....

The majority do not believe in a flat Earth.... I would have no idea where you are even getting that information as that doesn't exist and not an accurate representation of Christians as a whole.

God created our Globe.

Overwhelmingly, Christians do not believe the Earth is flat.

Across major branches the standard view is fully aligned with modern science that the Earth is spherical (more precisely, an oblate spheroid).

Flat Earth belief exists only in very small fringe circles.

If not God you have yet to explain how every planet was created and all worked in a fixed and perfectly designed system.

You’re forcing a false choice. Historical claims—especially one-time events—aren’t proven with modern lab evidence like video or DNA. They’re evaluated by weighing explanations against the available data.

I’m not ‘proving miracles by non-miracles.’ I’m establishing the historical baseline: that Jesus Christ existed, was executed, and that his followers very early believed he rose from the dead. That’s supported by multiple sources, including non-Christians like Tacitus.

From there, the question is: what best explains that evidence?

Simply saying ‘there’s no lab proof’ or dismissing it as ‘magic’ isn’t an argument—it’s just rejecting it upfront. If you think there’s a better explanation for the same historical data, present it. Otherwise you’re not disproving anything, just asserting your conclusion.

my experience is "flat earth" is a internet phenomenon.
'atheists probably also hear about flat earth from the net and thats how they end up believing its a christian thing?
i told a 'atheist once if he went to my church and started calling everyone a flat earther they would probably pat him on the head and give him a doughnut.

This post was edited by TiStuff on May 1 2026 06:29am

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This post was edited by TiStuff on May 1 2026 08:49am

There was never a point in history when a majority or even a sizable minority of Christians believed that the earth was flat. You are lying.

Claudius Ptolemy was not a Christian. Ptolemaic geocentrism was accepted for ~1500 years not on religious grounds but on scientific grounds. It was the most mathematically precise model available.

Copernicus helped dispel geocentrism, so you are half right on that one… but the way he did this was through heliocentrism—making the sun the new center of the universe. Saying he “ schooled the primate cultists on how the planets actually worked” shows your total lack of knowledge.

No one believes in Copernican heliocentrism today any more than we believe in Ptolemaic geocentrism. We don’t even believe in the Newtonian physics you were quoting as gospel in this thread a while ago. This is how science works, how it has always and will always work. Our understanding becomes more perfect over time, but it is never perfect.

It’s hilarious for you to mock ancient people for believing what was the prevailing scientific understanding of their time when you understand nothing of the prevailing scientific understanding of your own time—or even of theirs.

You are evidence that scientific superiority is not held by atheists.

You missed the entire point as usual. Christians used to believe earth was both flat and the center of the universe (although some still do). Today you are telling yourself that the earth is a globe that rotates around the sun but before. This is evidence that you are just a byproduct of your time, surroundings, parents, media, culture not some universal immovable truth assumed in the bible. Religions change and some are inevitably are discarded including christianity. Unfortunately you are stuck with these primitive beliefs like man can survive in a belly of a fish for 3 days, snakes and donkeys can talk, dragons and leviathans exist, people can be resurrected from the dead, multiply bread and fish to feed thousands of people like a magical subway tuna sandwich, etc.
Eventually people will move away from christianity and it will be shelved as an antique.

Ultimately religion is there to relieve you of your money and cede personal agency by giving you comfort in a form of child like explanations for difficult questions so that you don't have to hurt yourself thinking.
Any monkey can gap fill how the universe was formed with magic the challenge is proving it. So why don't you provide proof how your god designed the universe instead of beginning the argument from ignorance.

If I make a claim to you that a certain pig named Tinker Bell could fly and show you the remains of a pig and a note in a diary that states Tinker Bell was a flying pig will that prove that the pig could fly? Does that best explain the evidence? I am just establishing a historical baseline. You might be convinced that the pig was real but you have no way of knowing that it could fly other than "trust me bro"

This loops back around to the bible as the original "just trust me book". All you are doing is trusting magical acts were performed and magical creatures existed based on the word of a book. This is Spiderman fallacy that I have been trying to explain to you for some time. Many fiction books very often use real world, non magical, non controversial places, people, events as a literary device in order to enhance plausability and authenticity.
You just don't apply any skepticism or critical thinking when it comes to your religion. Your guard is down and you are giving christianity a free pass. Everything else you require proof and hearsay is no longer good enough.

I am saying apply same level of verification as you would anything else, any other story or religion. I know it is difficult for you to do but at least try.

You continue bringing up the same regurgitated nonsense.

There is nothing wrong with a pastor receiving money (that people freely choose to give as it is not required and not forced) for a job he or she is doing. Same goes for a restaurant getting money for doing their job, for any business or individual getting money for doing their job, yada yada yada.

These also aren't difficult questions. I have the answer to them.

You on the other hand have provided ZERO answers for existence.

You are right nothing wrong



This post was edited by addone on May 1 2026 03:57pm