Quote (thesnipa @ 29 Apr 2026 22:40)

its funny that you categorize the brutal occupation of Gaza and settlement policy in the West Bank as "doing nothing". you've kept 50% of your population in a second class citizen status, denying them the right to vote in your "democracy" for decades. now you've moved on to training dogs to assault them in prisons with no trial and a death penalty that applies only to them.

there is only 1 solution, period. give up land, create a Palestinian state. or preferably 2 so that gaza and the west bank are each a separate entity. then get defensive, and wait out 10 or more years of the silly attacks that will ensue. revenge motivation will run out, and the #freepalestine movement will be instantly fractured. sure some psychos want to return to a pre-Naakba all arab controlled region, but most realize that wont happen. restart the abraham accords and hope that regional islamic allies take up the cause to wrangle away the new nations from the Iranian sphere. actually work with Lebanon to pull a pincer attack on Hesbollah to prevent them from just backing into the Lebanese interior. make Gaza egypts problem at every single avenue. start actually rebuilding syria instead of letting it be an ISIS run failed state. build inroads with jordan to encircle the west bank.

war will only breed more war. the war to end all wars is a farce and always has been. peace through strength is just a weapons manufacturer's lie.

Quote (Many_Names @ 29 Apr 2026 21:17)

Citing the West Bank to justify the actions in Gaza is a deflection from the point I made. In 2005, Israel dismantled every settlement in Gaza and withdrew to the 1967 lines. That was an attempt at 'being peaceful' and 'not taking land.' The response wasn't a peaceful neighbor; it was two decades of rocket fire and the construction of a massive terror infrastructure.

You’re suggesting that security is a reward for good behavior, but security is a fundamental right. No amount of political disagreement justifies the mass murder and rape of civilians. When you say 'Israel needs to be peaceful,' you are essentially asking us to return to the 'passive defense' that failed us, while our neighbors openly state their goal is to repeat October 7th again and again. We’ve learned that 'waiting for peace' while a threat mobilizes on the border isn't a strategy it’s a suicide pact.

Quote (DocPhil @ 30 Apr 2026 11:08)

Israel withdrew on paper only. With full control over all airspace, water, electricity, borders and more. Then Israel actively and financially supported the very terror cell they fell victims to, not as hope for peace, but as a way to stop any chance of a two state solution which Netanyahu has bragged about on ceveral occassions.
I can use the west bank perfectly because you do not have Hamas there to point a finger at but israel continues without justification or cause the absolute onslaught of state sponsored terrorism and if you treat the palestinians like that on one side, there's absolutely no reason to think you won't treat them the same on the other. It makes no sense to create peace with Israel because Israel won't let you live in peace anyway. That's just a fact for Palestinians and why Israel must be stopped in its track before it fully becomes the very thing they said was never supposed to happen again.

Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 29 2026 03:15pm)

Look, calling a decade of "silly attacks" a solution is the most "tell me you live 5,000 miles away without telling me" thing I’ve ever heard. There’s no such thing as a "silly" rocket when it’s aimed at your kid’s bedroom. You’re basically asking for a ten-year experiment in national martyrdom just to see if they’ll eventually get bored of trying to kill us.
Your "one solution" of giving up land is exactly what we did in Gaza in 2005. We pulled every last soldier and settler out. The result wasn't a peaceful neighbor; it was a 20-year buildup that led to October 7th. You’re literally suggesting we repeat the exact same mistake on a massive scale and just "hope" that this time the Iranian-funded groups decide to become Swiss-style pacifists.
Also, your geopolitical take is pure fan-fiction. Lebanon is basically a hostage to Hezbollah they can't even keep the lights on, let alone run a "pincer move" for us. And Egypt has spent the last two decades making it very clear they want absolutely zero part of Gaza.
Your solution isn't a plan; it’s a fantasy novel written by someone who doesn't have to pay the price when the plot fails. It’s real easy to be a visionary when it’s not your family on the line

Quote (Many_Names @ 30 Apr 2026 17:18)

Defining the 2005 withdrawal as 'on paper only' ignores the reality that for nearly 20 years, there wasn't a single Israeli soldier or civilian inside the Gaza Strip. Control over borders and airspace is a standard security measure when the governing body on the other side is an internationally recognized terror group committed to your destruction. If the goal was 'living in peace,' Gaza had every opportunity to become a Mediterranean hub; instead, it became a fortress.
Regarding the 'funding' claim: allowing Qatari funds into Gaza was an attempt to maintain a civilian baseline and prevent a humanitarian crisis a policy of 'calm for cash' that, in hindsight, was a catastrophic intelligence failure. However, labeling an attempt at economic stability as 'supporting terror' is a massive goalpost shift.
Finally, the idea that there is 'no Hamas' in the West Bank is demonstrably false. The reason the West Bank hasn't turned into a full-scale launchpad for rockets isn't because of a lack of desire from the Palestinian street, but because of the very security operations you are criticizing. You argue that Israel won’t let Palestinians live in peace; we argue that October 7th proved that when Israel steps back, the result isn't peace it’s an existential threat. Security isn't a 'reward' for us to grant; it’s a necessity we have to enforce when the alternative is our own disappearance

Quote (gnarjay @ 6 May 2026 23:53)

you cannot reform this behavior, it must be stopped by force
https://i.imgur.com/zglM5iT.png

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2026 03:44pm)

Whatever the veracity of these claims, it is just a fact that the situation was relatively stable and calm before Oct 7, when Hamas fighters were the ones who committed a massive act of barbarism and mass slaughter.

And just for the record: they slaughtered everyone indiscriminately, not just Israelis/Jews. Even the notion of "Palestinian self-defense against the evil, bloodthirsty, oppressive Jews" cannot excuse how Hamas slaughtered peaceful international tourists at the rave festival or south east asian farmhands. These people don't stand on the side of good, they are not fighting a noble fight - they are a murderous death cult who wants to eradicate not just Israel/the Jews, but all 'infidels', you and me included.

Quote (gnarjay @ May 6 2026 06:10pm)

maybe one day you'll get it right

Quote (Goomshill @ May 6 2026 04:14pm)

Maybe it will take ~14000 days, since you're posting stuff from 1985