You can't use modern technologies for ancient history.

So you yourself shouldn't believe in (any) of it.

100% of ancient history is fake according to you.

addone: anyone born before modern technology never existed.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Apr 27 2026 07:17pm

thats right Jesus won

You’re still misrepresenting both the sources and how history works. The New Testament isn’t a single self-referencing book—it’s a collection of multiple documents written by different authors, and Jesus Christ is also mentioned by non-Christian sources like Tacitus and Josephus.

Historians don’t require ‘overwhelming physical evidence’ or video-level proof for ancient figures. If they did, most of ancient history—including people like Julius Caesar—wouldn’t pass your standard either.

Saying ‘it includes miracles, therefore it’s fiction’ isn’t a historical argument—it’s just starting with your conclusion and working backwards. The actual question is what the sources say and how they’re evaluated, not dismissing them outright.

Bible is one book written by the same cult not independent sources. Its equivalent of an echo chamber that self references itself and tries to pass of as history. No other records from independent non religious sources affirm the magical stories. They are exclusively within that one book.

Tacitus and Josephus do not confirm jesus resurrected from the dead, they do not confirm that there was a flood with Noah and his son's as a restart to the human race, they do not acknowledge talking snakes in a magical garden either. All they reference is there are some Christian cultists around who suffered a penalty nothing else (which no one contests). Tacitus was born some 25 years after the supposed jesus all he can do is recite secondhand information (hearsay) at best, hardly credible.

I was born after Ron Hubbard died I saw a southpark episode about scientology. According to your logic whomever reads my post 2000 years into the future can use that as evidence for scientology being real both the people and the content of their religion

You’re still misrepresenting the evidence. The Bible isn’t ‘one book by one cult’—it’s a collection of multiple documents written over time by different authors.

The Dead Sea Scrolls—found in caves near Qumran in 1947—contain Old Testament texts over 2,000 years old. When compared to later manuscripts, they show the text has been preserved with remarkable consistency.

As for sources, historians like Tacitus and Josephus don’t confirm every miracle—that’s not their purpose. They confirm that Jesus Christ existed and that early Christians believed these things. That’s exactly how independent historical references work.

Dismissing them as ‘hearsay’ would also wipe out most of ancient history. By that standard, nearly everything we know about figures like Julius Caesar would also be questionable, since much of it comes from later sources and written accounts.

Your Scientology example doesn’t work either—because we already know where L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology come from in real time. That’s completely different from evaluating ancient sources using historical methods.

You’re not actually applying a consistent standard—you’re just dismissing anything that doesn’t fit your conclusion.

fixed that last sentence for you

This post was edited by TiStuff on Apr 28 2026 01:21am

Evidence > opinion.

I am applying a consistent standard. Bible is one book that is an algamation of writings from the same cult. The manuscripts are just copies of copies with many uknown authors or any way to verify their authenticity. For all we know it was written by one guy with multiple personalities disorder.
You will not find anyone around the planet talk about the bible or any of the events in ancient records.

This is exclusively a middle eastern religion that tries to pass off as history. If the native American Indians or the Aztecs, Mayans etc had it in their records that they originated from Adam and Eve or from Noah and his son's then we would have a confirmation that there was a global flood with common ancestry. Each civilization has their own different origin stories dating back thousands if not millions of years ago.

I have given you examples of scientology precisely because we know it today of how absurd it is. Christianity was like that some 2000 years ago. Yet you failed to see the similarity. I've also given you other religious claims where people both believe them to be true and use real places as a birth of their deities. You have dodged that point entirely like a dishonest coward. If you are not accepting other deities to be real and true with the same consistent standard you are just another tribal hypocrite.

Still incorrect.

Saying the same things over and over isn't going to change anything.

You’re still getting basic facts wrong. The Bible isn’t ‘one book by one cult’—it’s a collection of multiple documents written over time, and we can compare thousands of manuscripts to evaluate how they were transmitted.

The Dead Sea Scrolls—found in caves near Qumran in 1947—contain Old Testament texts over 2,000 years old. When compared with later copies, they show the text was preserved with remarkable consistency, not randomly changed or ‘made up by one guy.’

Also, you’re just wrong that no one outside the Bible mentions it. Tacitus and Josephus both reference Jesus Christ. They don’t confirm every miracle—but independent sources aren’t supposed to. They confirm the person and the movement, which is exactly what historians look for.

And your ‘global agreement’ standard doesn’t make sense. Different cultures having different origin stories doesn’t disprove one of them—it just shows they’re different traditions.

Finally, I’m applying the same standard across the board: evaluate the evidence for each claim. I’m not accepting everything blindly and I’m not rejecting everything blindly either. That’s the difference.