Quote (Stefbef @ Apr 23 2026 01:21pm)

pretty solid setup tbh, it mostly depends on what you duel

i personally run a 48 fcr phoenix setup or even 30 fcr when i need dr for pubs, just so i can save a lot of dex for other setups

atm im running:

coa ber ber (or ber+protector)
phoenix st 45/400
eni scarab
2 pala 18 fcr 28 str 12 dex amu (i swap to 20 fcr one if needed)
10 fcr 4 str 15 dex 55 life ring
wisp20
arach (swap to dungo if need more dr, but i mostly just run 39 dr coa berber setup with arach)
grief ba
horazon boots/belt

but 75 fcr setup is solid too, i just feel like in pubs most chars are too tanky these days so the phoenix 48 one really helps there

then i just use 75 fcr griffon phoenix setup vs casters with natures peace and bloodfist/gore (bloodfist helps with ias bp and easy 27 fhr)

or a 125 fcr one vs sorcs/necs

i personally think the 50 dex from horazon boots/gloves and the ias is just too OP to pass on, it saves you so much dex for other setups

maybe you can get away with arach 75 fcr setup with horazon gloves too

Quote (gel87 @ Apr 23 2026 01:40pm)

Pheonix build is way more damage yes, but the thing about 125fcr vs nec.
If you need the 125fcr break vs a nec you don't really know what your doing. Hunting is always faster than fleeing due to chainlocks/throwlocks etc. While you hunt you dont have to stop to cast stuff.
And you actually dont have to constantly push even if ur not having a main ranged attack. Necroes never hit anything but oak, by beeing offscreen, unless you let them.

Quote (crosspawz @ Apr 23 2026 05:54am)

Griswald set full of 5/5 facet

Quote (Ergol @ 23 Apr 2026 14:12)

what are your gear swaps for GM duels ? horazon boots and protector stone have to be swapped out, right ? then how do you keep max block when you need it ?

i'm using -req coa to save 26 str at the cost of 4 dr (with dungo), is it a bad idea for general gear flexibility ?



not sure i agree, sure you can catch necs with 75 but 125 feels so much smoother

Quote (gel87 @ Apr 23 2026 05:40am)

Pheonix build is way more damage yes, but the thing about 125fcr vs nec.
If you need the 125fcr break vs a nec you don't really know what your doing. Hunting is always faster than fleeing due to chainlocks/throwlocks etc. While you hunt you dont have to stop to cast stuff.
And you actually dont have to constantly push even if ur not having a main ranged attack. Necroes never hit anything but oak, by beeing offscreen, unless you let them.

Quote (Aurasmiter @ Apr 23 2026 05:36pm)

I think I know what im doing, I prefer 125 cuz it's easier to catch them. 75 is doable but my success rate is higher on 125.

Quote (gel87 @ Apr 23 2026 10:24am)

on d2lod there was stash places issues. And the fact that bug belt added 15str/25dex the characters would have to sacrifice stats to be able to swap belt to arach, ergo loosing strenght bug etc.
But i did test some with 125fcr, for me it did not feel any easier.
The smite/foh/throwlock to avoid tele after foh delay got worse, i guess this is not a case in d2r. But 75fcr is enought to avoid, chain and jump without allowing them to exit. Pushing for 125fcr then means you basicly gain nothing, but it costs in stats, either its the damage you miss from phoenix, the oak, the extra statting you did to allow the breakpoint etc, there is a cost and in my eyes its not needed.
The difference between 48 and 75 is something completely different though. 48fcr is what makes easy duels hard xD and 30fcr makes one a sitting duck.
But I guess its what you are used to running.
I also prefer to build chars in a way where you are set up for 1vX, not just 1v1.

Still, vs nec i would do this as VT:
Griffon 5/5 or shael or fancy new jewel with Physical or Light damage.
2/20 ammu
arach
10fcr ring
wisp / nature
Horazons (waterwalks if dont exists in ur version)
Bloodfists or dracs or horazons
Grief pb + phoenix st

This is what a 125fcr build would loose:
400%-465% offhand ED
Gloves fhr or ias+CB or OW+LT adds.

Quote (Aurasmiter @ Apr 24 2026 12:36am)

I think I know what im doing, I prefer 125 cuz it's easier to catch them. 75 is doable but my success rate is higher on 125.

Quote (Aurasmiter @ Apr 24 2026 01:59am)

Use whatever you want but vs caster with range I like 125 any time I can spare the stats.

You dont lose fhr with spirit, it might take one less smite to kill them but normally it's about the same and if you have new items sunder and jewel make the dmg much better with spirit.

The ED from phoenix is about 150-200 dmg after calc, and granted I havent tried with sunder/jewel + phoenix so maybe it's worth a try but I feel pretty good vs nec at 125. Honestly if the nec is more aggro your set up is probably better but nec that is l8zing I prefer the pressure from 125 so the duels dont take forever.

CB isnt that much dmg in pvp, dont need ias with grief pb. Also I basically never use life tap that's just my preference. If you hit OW then they can possibly get away with 1 life because of the OW bug. Foh helps with that but not always.

Tldr I prefer 125 and I dont feel like im giving up much

Quote (RTZS @ Apr 23 2026 07:22pm)

For legacy (LOD version) setups , 75> 125
125 just not doing enough damage have to catch him especially when u have to jump into spirit trains. (Decent necro will setup spirits for your stomps and spear lock u asap and C/T cast tp away after ur stomp) 75 phenoix + draco for bleed is the way.
for everytime u catch nec successfully u can smite him 2 times in average sometimes 3 ( smite knockback smite or smite foh smite or smite charge out smite/ foh smite) nec ct cast away break ur chainlock)
125fcr is doing 150-200 less damager per smite, everytime u catch him u had to break the bone armour around 1000 absorb
Not mention OW from 75fcr bleeding 600hp true damage is crazily effective.
for 75fcr setup basically u catch him 2 times hes dead or bleed to 1 hp foh KO
For 125fcr setup u have to catch him 4 times or more
Means ur risking urself many times diving into spirit trains
Asian server has the best pvp players especially the koreans
The best V/T in the world also used 75fcr

Btw I have tested 75fcr is better than 86fcr can explain if need
Its all about the speed of namelocking.

But for now (warlock version), no debate 125>75 as 125 fcr with guardian jewel and new sunder ur doing the usame or even more damage than the 75 pheonix legacy setup


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_lbjm9AOtE

2 years ago of play, i liked 125fcr aswell good for chain or vs mid level to low level necro but 75fcr is better for legacy version of the game