Quote (celloboy126 @ Apr 20 2026 01:19pm)

200 fcr eschuta nova does 6k average damage every 7 frames, has -50 light pierce + conviction

105 fcr self-wield infi nova does 5k average damage every 8 frames, has -100 light pierce + conviction

For monsters with light res up to 85%, infi build does 31k DPS

For monsters with light res up to 35%, eschuta build does 43k DPS, and for monsters with light res up to 90%, eschuta build does at least 31k DPS.

For light immunes, infi build does 19k DPS and eschuta build does 15.4k.

In summary: eschuta beats self infi for non immunes by anywhere from 0-40%, and only loses by 19% against immunes.

200 fcr eschuta build has 3 more +sorc skills, which helps with ES, static, warmth, tstorm, frozen armor, and fire wall for optional hybridization. It has more resists, which means getting away with a lower level ES. With 1 pt ES, max warmth, and charms with decent life, your mana pool is still depleted before life, and the lower mana regen than self infi build is countered by the lower level ES easing the damage done to mana. This analysis doesn't even factor in the time saved by a 7 frame teleport over 8 frames.

The more pierce gear that gets introduced, the better 200 fcr eschuta fares against self-wielding infinity. If the crafted pierce charms get introduced, eschuta will blow it out of the water.

Quote (nodamnclan @ Apr 20 2026 02:15pm)

i ran out of mana reading this

Quote (celloboy126 @ Apr 20 2026 10:40pm)

Yes, the calculations change when optimizing each build independently vs forcing them to wear the same 200 fcr gear for an apples to apples comparison. No one has claimed that lightning beats nova for single targets. In fact, charged bolt beats lightning, and hydra + fireball beats charged bolt, for single targets. Nova is lauded for its effectiveness on crowds, not for single target DPS.

Speaking of noob traps, your maxroll build needs a 3 light amulet and another skiller for max DPS calculations, and please read my penultimate reply re: eschuta vs self infi.

Quote (babun1024 @ Apr 20 2026 03:03pm)

Nope, it doesn't. Dps depends on sustain as well. Mara is +2 to cta bo, no need to take care of resistance => 20life/17mana scs enabled. Your mehschuta build with maxed thundstorm is a joke. I'd like to see how long you can tank a T5 heralds from upclose to hit with all of the charged bolts. Hydra doesn't focus fire with minions around. Fireball + meteor is the only other contender, however minions stay in the way again. Fireball's splash damage is lower than by itself.
Back to the topic, lightning sorc seems to be the superior choice or herald huntung than nova or some weird mehschuta builds.

Quote (celloboy126 @ Apr 20 2026 05:12pm)

Check page 1 of this thread, I literally said that nova is not good against T5 heralds period, that lightning beats it, that blizz beats lightning bc you're less exposed, and hydra beats blizz for T5 heralds.

It takes a few seconds with any decent build to clear the minions near the herald, but for some reason you're so hung up on the minions. All herald battles become 1v1 within seconds.

If math is not your strong suit I'll post a vid of 200 fcr eschuta nova with 1 pt firewall, 1 pt tstorm, max warmth full clearing p8 chaos faster than is possible with self infi, with no pots in belt.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 20 2026 03:49pm)

well in the sense that its spamming meteor+fireball and most of the damage is from those 2 spells yeah probably beats lightning now, hydra only really helping after the 14 minions die

Quote (celloboy126 @ Apr 21 2026 12:12am)

Check page 1 of this thread, I literally said that nova is not good against T5 heralds period, that lightning beats it, that blizz beats lightning bc you're less exposed, and hydra beats blizz for T5 heralds.

It takes a few seconds with any decent build to clear the minions near the herald, but for some reason you're so hung up on the minions. All herald battles become 1v1 within seconds.

If math is not your strong suit I'll post a vid of 200 fcr eschuta nova with 1 pt firewall, 1 pt tstorm, max warmth full clearing p8 chaos faster than is possible with self infi, with no pots in belt.