Complemtary? How do you fall head long (head first) into your field that you purchased while also hanging yourself? Was judas a piece of toast that lands butter side down? This is peak mental gymnastics.

Stop telling yourself lies its a clear contradiction you are trying way too hard to make 2 distinctly different stories fit.

I'll stick to God's truth, but thanks for your opinion.

Logic is a man made (conceptual) tool not a law same way a hammer is also a tool (physical) not a law.

How does logic allow the hamer to function exactly? Logic is a man-made concept the hammer cannot be affected by immaterial concepts. Only physical force can affect the hammer such as you taking the hammer in your hand and swinging it. The hammer doesn't need justification for its existence it already exists. You can give it a name, you can even decide how to use the hammer or if certain people are allowed to use hammers but you cannot make a hammer appear out of thin air by putting an identity on it. You can only make the hammer physically out of existing materials.

In maths logic might appear to be universal since its mostly binary or controlled isolated variables but when you try to apply it to some complex human problem with million variables it doesn't really work. Especially when tradeoffs/compromises are involved.
2+2 =4 isnt universal it is just an commonly agreed term to maintain consistency within certain systems, but it is not an absolute law of the physical universe or all mathematical frameworks. Like language certain words are given meaning but the words themselves can be changed if the collective decides to update its lexicon. If tomorrow we decided 2+2=5 then that will be new logic not because it's some universal law. These are just tools that we can update and change any time just like designing a new and more ergonomic hammer.



Maths ain't mathing still believes bible anyway.

Thanks for confirming its a cult.

This post was edited by addone on Apr 13 2026 06:21pm

Math confirms God.

God's truth remains greater than your unblief.

reality is a vote now?
2+2 = 4 is not universal but just our opinion? I add two rocks and two rocks it's 4 now, but if I decide tomorrow it's actually 5 rocks? the literal identity of reality changes based off my opinion? i'm not talking about definitions of words here, i'm talking about the actual identity of 2+2 = 4.

logic is essential to the hammer because it has an identity. A=A.

this is pure sophistry lol, how can you possibly deny logic exists as a universal yet demand physical proof of something? you've collapsed into complete incoherence.

If you are adding rocks it seems to be consistent but what happens when you add other things like
2 quartz of water + 2 quartz of ethanol = ?

It is not universal it is only applicable to some things some of the time.

A hammer doesn't have an identity other than what we decide to give it. You convinced yourself of some kind of theoretical construct that has no practical application that I can see. Why don't you prove what you are saying instead of talking about it? This is just abstract meta logic concepts that are a diversion tactic on providing physical proof of this so called "god".

how is 2 quarts of water + 2 quarts of ethanol a defeater to logic or math?

this supports that logic is universal because you have recognized these things have identity. the mass and the number of molecules remains exactly the same, these things happen independent on how we label them or the language used to describe the real phenomenon.

if a hammer doesn't have an identity then it means doesn't exist. maybe you are not understanding this linguistically? identity is not a gender or something we apply socially in some modern era leftist way, it's fundamental to reality.

to prove something I have to appeal to universal truth right, not just something subjective in our minds otherwise it's only true in our minds? if logic is not universal and just a social construct in our minds, then how can I prove something in a meaningful way?

This post was edited by majorblood on Apr 13 2026 08:47pm

Quartz

Are you winning son? Yes dad, addone made a spelling mistake, instead of quarts he said quartz this is funny because its spelled incorrectly. Son you are very funny don't let the haters tell you otherwise. *(Pats you on the head)



Why don't you add 2 quarts of water with 2 quarts of ethanol together and see if you still get 4 quarts of liquid. I'll wait

Spoiler alert it won't be 4 this disproves your assertion that 2+2=4 universally. Logic is an abstract immaterial concept and you are trying to apply to a dynamic complex world it doesn't always work. It only works in a vacuum with certain set of rules. You have at least 4 different types of logic to deal with problems (formal, informal, symbolic, and mathematical) precisely because they don't cover everything. Logic therefore cannot be called universal in a practical sense.

Now stop wasting my time talking about this meta conversation and get to the actual proof of your so called god. Not really interested in debating sophistry and theoretical philosophy.