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Apr 10 2026 10:36pm
Yes D4 is very different from D2. In D4 I actually play the game, I can go 1 hour or more without single loading screen, and the whole hour is filled with actual combat killing mobs. D2 on the other hand is 20% char menu or loading screen, 75% teleporting around (never interacting or killing anything), and only 1-5% of game time at most can be actually considered playing game. But when doing like Kurast runs all about opening chests, I would consider 0% of that actually playing the game. You just spend dozens of hours opening chests and collecting stuff so that you could play the game later. But opening chests does not count like playing game IMHO.

(Just to be clear, I dont consider teleporting around to find next level "playing the game". You are skipping all of the game to get to the boss. Whole of D2 is just about skipping things.)

Or are you actually saying that more loading screens and teleporting around would improve D4?

OFC if you prefer endless loading screens and teleporting to actual combat and killing things, you can stay in D2 Im not taking that away from you :)

And BTW nobody is skipping campaign in D4, thats simply not true. Only people who already played it dont do it for season (and ONLY on season), bcs its not effective for leveling. But people actually do play campaign, listen to dialogs and watch cutscenes and cinematics, which is not true in any other ARPG on the market. I dont know anyone, player or streamer, who actually listened to story and dialogs in PoE2 even on first playthrough. But everyone does in D4, and many do multiple times.


You know people chose to run boss only or kurast chest purely for effiency when they target farm a specific unique or runes(kurast runs). nobody forced you to choose that playstyle and call it boring lol. Can also do player 8 chaos run, terror zone, or cows.
Funny you talked about actually playing the game in d4. Just a few seasons ago, where the gameplay was basicly living in belial room 24/7 unless you're that odd guy who runs around in helltide and call it wonderful gameplay. Everything requires a loading screen in d4. Boss rooms, nmd, switching town, going into the pits, they need a loading screen
Speaking of poe2, when was the last time you play it? 1 temple run takes 10-15' easy assuming your build is solid and you zoomed the whole run

D4? Improvements? that will take pages for suggestions lol. You're not taking d2 away from anyone. If it can still survive and still great after 2 decades, noone or nothing will stop it.
Glaze d4 all you want but calling it superior or years ahead of its competitors are laughable
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Apr 10 2026 10:58pm
I couldn't find a single reason to play it over D2. I just downloaded and bought the game. Now, I play both depending on the season or ladder resets. That's coming from a guy who used to play D2 with my 56k modem.

There really isn't an argument. You just gatta play it to know or experience it.
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Apr 10 2026 11:10pm
Remember, I asked the question in the D4 forum section and those sre the answers so far? That tells you all you need to know in my opinion. Not even here many people find good reasons to play this game. They really messed it up after D2. They had gold in their hand and turned it into brass.
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Apr 10 2026 11:33pm
You know people chose to run boss only or kurast chest purely for effiency when they target farm a specific unique or runes(kurast runs). nobody forced you to choose that playstyle and call it boring lol. Can also do player 8 chaos run, terror zone, or cows.
Funny you talked about actually playing the game in d4. Just a few seasons ago, where the gameplay was basicly living in belial room 24/7 unless you're that odd guy who runs around in helltide and call it wonderful gameplay. Everything requires a loading screen in d4. Boss rooms, nmd, switching town, going into the pits, they need a loading screen
Speaking of poe2, when was the last time you play it? 1 temple run takes 10-15' easy assuming your build is solid and you zoomed the whole run

D4? Improvements? that will take pages for suggestions lol. You're not taking d2 away from anyone. If it can still survive and still great after 2 decades, noone or nothing will stop it.
Glaze d4 all you want but calling it superior or years ahead of its competitors are laughable


You are just desperately trying to twist and misrepresent my argument. I never said D4 is years ahead other games, I said its approx. 25 years ahead of PoE 2 for example in areas such as cinematics, story telling and so. As I specifically mentioned, PoE 2 cinematics are far worse quality than even D3 had, 15 years ago. Atmosphere, character immersion (again, with specific examples given). And yet you keep arguing against things I never said.

The way I remember "playing D2" was that I spent significantly more time on loading screen, running in town, muling items, or teleporting around (or waiting in town for others to teleport) and searching for next levels than in combat or doing anything fun. The fact that there are loading screens in D4 (amazing observation from you) is irrelevant, because I never spend 50% of my play session on loading screen, whereas is D2 I did spend 95% of time doing everything except for playing and having fun.

Sure, some of this were technical limitations, but not most of it. Game was simply designed in this way that favours teleporting to chests or bosses and restarting game over and over, rather than actually playing.

And BTW D4 will be there in 50 years, just like D3 and D1 are still there, it will never go away. But you are delusional if you think that D2 has a significant player base, remember that before D2r we knew how many players were there on b.net, and it was maybe like 25k of which like 90% were bots. Still the same in D2r, one can only see battle.net FG vs balance trades here on jsp, where some people are buying 20x copies of D2r.
Judging numbers on ladders today there are probably not even 100k accounts including bots. So maybe current population of D2r is like 20-30k players? I think thats optimistic.
D2r sold 5 million copies, most were bots, but even then most were just nostalgic players who left right after they remembered why they quit playing in the first place.

There are just few tens of thousands of people, maybe, who still think that D2 is a good game. So yes, D2 is still here and not going anywhere, just like there are still some D1 players, but your sense of superiority is delusional, you are just dwelling in last century. The world has moved on and you are just angry than you and your gaming preferences were left behind. Enjoy warlock update, thats the only thing you will get, and you know why? There simply is not enough of players who think about the world the same way like you to justify working on D2 or similar game.

Im sure that you are just imagining that there is like "silent majority" of players who enjoy PoE, D2 and other games and Blizzard is only making D4, but the reality is that D4 is dwarfing all other ARPGs on the market combined. GGG considered it major milestone that PoE2 sold 1 million copies, and give how the interested in game is falling, I doubt they sold much more since. That already tells anyone reasonable enough everything one needs to know. So if you put together PoE1+2, LE, current D2r population all combined, D4 player base is still probably 10x bigger than that. But sure, go ahead and imagine that somehow game like PoE 2 that sells only 1 million copies represents "silent majority". D4 sold 12 millions in first 3 months before going to Steam.

I can still see that this subforum is still full of people who have no real life and just want to trash D4 all day so Im gonna leave. Cya
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Apr 11 2026 12:12am
You are just desperately trying to twist and misrepresent my argument. I never said D4 is years ahead other games, I said its approx. 25 years ahead of PoE 2 for example in areas such as cinematics, story telling and so. As I specifically mentioned, PoE 2 cinematics are far worse quality than even D3 had, 15 years ago. Atmosphere, character immersion (again, with specific examples given). And yet you keep arguing against things I never said.

The way I remember "playing D2" was that I spent significantly more time on loading screen, running in town, muling items, or teleporting around (or waiting in town for others to teleport) and searching for next levels than in combat or doing anything fun. The fact that there are loading screens in D4 (amazing observation from you) is irrelevant, because I never spend 50% of my play session on loading screen, whereas is D2 I did spend 95% of time doing everything except for playing and having fun.

Sure, some of this were technical limitations, but not most of it. Game was simply designed in this way that favours teleporting to chests or bosses and restarting game over and over, rather than actually playing.

And BTW D4 will be there in 50 years, just like D3 and D1 are still there, it will never go away. But you are delusional if you think that D2 has a significant player base, remember that before D2r we knew how many players were there on b.net, and it was maybe like 25k of which like 90% were bots. Still the same in D2r, one can only see battle.net FG vs balance trades here on jsp, where some people are buying 20x copies of D2r.
Judging numbers on ladders today there are probably not even 100k accounts including bots. So maybe current population of D2r is like 20-30k players? I think thats optimistic.
D2r sold 5 million copies, most were bots, but even then most were just nostalgic players who left right after they remembered why they quit playing in the first place.

There are just few tens of thousands of people, maybe, who still think that D2 is a good game. So yes, D2 is still here and not going anywhere, just like there are still some D1 players, but your sense of superiority is delusional, you are just dwelling in last century. The world has moved on and you are just angry than you and your gaming preferences were left behind. Enjoy warlock update, thats the only thing you will get, and you know why? There simply is not enough of players who think about the world the same way like you to justify working on D2 or similar game.

Im sure that you are just imagining that there is like "silent majority" of players who enjoy PoE, D2 and other games and Blizzard is only making D4, but the reality is that D4 is dwarfing all other ARPGs on the market combined. GGG considered it major milestone that PoE2 sold 1 million copies, and give how the interested in game is falling, I doubt they sold much more since. That already tells anyone reasonable enough everything one needs to know. So if you put together PoE1+2, LE, current D2r population all combined, D4 player base is still probably 10x bigger than that. But sure, go ahead and imagine that somehow game like PoE 2 that sells only 1 million copies represents "silent majority". D4 sold 12 millions in first 3 months before going to Steam.

I can still see that this subforum is still full of people who have no real life and just want to trash D4 all day so Im gonna leave. Cya


Never once compared player base between them games. you brought that up yourself. You're the one who claimed d4 is the better one with superior ingame features such as no loading screen which in fact is plain wrong. it loads whenever i do anything outside of helltide, even helltide itself i have to tp there to play in unless you choose to ride your horse there then fair play :rofl:
D4 players base is 10x of both poe + le combined is also another wild claim. show me where you pull those numbers from?
You brought them all up and decided to bash d2 and poe2 where the simpler answer is to just name them d4 features that makes it >d2 just as the OP topic, no need to bring poe2 into it or maybe the way you think is both poe needs to be bad in order to make d4 look good.
If we judge arpg games purely according to its category
Then what does d4 bring? Campaign :wacko:
1. Combat - sure i'll give point to its with them better graphics than d2
2. Itemization/loot - dog shit, literally the worst system in any arpg, massive thanks to smart loot and account bound system
3. Build variety, character progression - absolutely tiny pool of playable builds, this gets even worse when smart loot is in place, everyone plays the same meta class, all loots on market to trade is only that class gears. Progression, getting to an end game build and +250paragon level in about 48 hours of playing time is another joke
4. Endgame. Name me some great end game features that d4 brings if anyone can complete a build within 48 hours after season releases. what are we staying to grind for? pits? or silly leaderboard?
5. Quality of life feature- i'll give points to this as d4 does have some good qol like armory, but still more to improve, sell all button for example
6. Value - for that pricetag at release followed by 2 expansion, that puts d4 as a horrible game vs money spent for its value

Don't know why you saw me as a d2 player or even delusional. look at the whole topic and reply, noone but you are backing d4 and call it superior. You quit d2 because of loading screen to join another loading screen at d4 is funny :rofl: , even worse this season where you have to keep porting to different boss via their bloodsoaked sigil. or maybe you ride your horse to each boss then my respect for you sir.
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Apr 11 2026 12:36am
Casual.

Thats it.
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Apr 11 2026 01:29am
Genuine question.

If you prefer D4, please tell me why because I cant find a single reason to play it over D2.


It's something new and feels like d3. The leaderboard on d2 are just a boring monotonous race to 100. d4 has LB's and skins you win for being in the top ranks. It's more skill based leaderboard placements as opposed to race based in terms of the leveling aspect.
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Apr 11 2026 02:28am
It's something new and feels like d3. The leaderboard on d2 are just a boring monotonous race to 100. d4 has LB's and skins you win for being in the top ranks. It's more skill based leaderboard placements as opposed to race based in terms of the leveling aspect.


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Apr 11 2026 06:16am
I prefer d4 over d2 because i enjoy playing d4.
After playing d2 for more then 20 years d2 is no fun anymore.
Even a new class cant attract me anymore because the rest will still be the same.
Even prefer d3 over d2 for the same reason.

And yes i am one of those guys running in helltides :wacko: because killing one boss over and over again for loot is not my thing.

My guess is that i wont be playing d4 for 20 years again but for now it is fun. And looking forward what is coming with the new season and expansion.
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Apr 22 2026 12:38pm
Genuine question.

If you prefer D4, please tell me why because I cant find a single reason to play it over D2.


I think quite a few folks enjoy both fwiw. At least I know I’m in that boat. I know a lot of folks like to pretend you can only ever play/enjoy a single game. But I doubt that actually applies to most of us.
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