You keep using the 'Netanyahu bought the materials' line as a shield for the people who actually pulled the trigger. Allowing Qatari money to pay for civilian salaries and fuel in Gaza was a gamble on appeasement—an attempt to buy quiet. It was a failure of policy, yes, but it doesn't make the payer the murderer. By your logic, the UAE and the West are responsible for every Houthi and Hezbollah drone strike because they engaged in 'diplomacy' and trade that kept those regimes' economies afloat. You don't get to blame the victim for trying (and failing) to manage a monster that you are busy making excuses for

As for your claim about a 'law for hanging people' that is a total fiction. Israel has no death penalty for civilians, and it hasn't used one in over 60 years (except for a literal Nazi architect of the Holocaust). Meanwhile, your 'logically consistent' friends in Iran are currently leading the world in state-sponsored executions for everything from 'blasphemy' to 'protesting.' If you're going to use 'facts' to call a regime demonic, at least use facts that exist in reality.

Finally, I noticed you didn't answer my question about why it's called the 'West Bank.' It's because you can't. You can't admit it was Judea and Samaria for 3,000 years before a Jordanian occupation renamed it in 1950. You talk about 'thievery' since 1948, but you're using a vocabulary created by the very people who invaded Israel to finish what the Nazis started

You call it 'pathetic' to choose sides, but you’re sitting in the UAE a country that survived because it chose a side, built a military, and partnered with Israel to stop the very 'school shooters' you’re now 'neutral' about. you're just a spectator who enjoys the safety provided by a 'demonic regime's' defense systems while you lecture them on the price of their survival.

Notice again how you cannot defend any action taken by israel so you just point at iran and say they are worse. Just like in the beginning of all these debates everything was Hamas lies hamas this hamas that and all of a sudden IDF confirmed the hamas health ministries death count. Probably because they know by now it's really low compared to the actual numbers.
You know what it is, it's someones house that has lived there for several generations and then some fucking twat from new jersey or ukraine or whereever shows up and kicks them out because it was judea 3000 years ago. Then the israeli army shows up and murders people on behalf of those people and then you have the gall to sit there and spout of nonsense about moral compasses and justice and defend the actions of israel despite them having more slaugthered more than 20,000 kids in less than 3 years. As i said i was a believer in the abraham accords before, because back then israel was doing fucked up shit, but not on this scale and with this much murder not anymore because unless there's a new government that actually value human life then there's no hope for the rest of the country.

here's a picture of your leading politician with a noose on his clothes because you might have missed that.
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/12/11/aje-onl-pp-ben-gvir-noose-111225

and enrollment has matched the demands of the military for decades, today though? we're undermanned.

I dont think Iran thinks that far ahead tbh.

Theyve shown full caveman tactics in all their diplomacy.

they dont think far ahead, except they're way ahead of us in this war.

they already made the underground cities that manufacture drones and missiles. they developed small, cheap, and mobile missile platforms so we cant stop them firing. they set up a 7 deep line of succession for their leader so we can't conceivable cut the head of the snake. they decentralized their military leadership with a protocol for how to respond to prevent lockups in action if command is killed or cut off. they used their old navy as a decoy while making small fast boats and mini submarines so they could plan to cut off the strait as soon as the invasion happened. they almost instantly fired missiles and took out military bases and gulf infrastructure they clearly had planned. they were ready, we weren't. israel certainly wasn't, they thought we'd keep the iranians so busy they could sweep Lebanon.

i wont argue they've been diplomatic lambs, but why should they be? they know Israel is literally targeting their negotiators and that there is a diplomatic gap between Israel and the USA in terms of goals and will. We've used diplomatic negotiations as a cover for literal strikes several times now just under Trump 2.0. And the stated end goals of USA/Israel have been from the start to defang them, remove leadership, and prevent them from ever being a regional power ever again. that's diplomacy? no, that's a demand for unconditional surrender, which means come in and take my daughters btw, not put your guns down.

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Your 'New Jersey' trope is just as tired. More than half of Israel’s Jewish population are Mizrahi Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab lands like Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen. They didn't come from 'Ukraine'; they were kicked out of their homes in the Middle East by the same 'devils' you’re now defending. You keep talking about 'thievery,' but you’re silent on the billions in Jewish property stolen by the Arab world in 1948

As for the numbers, the IDF hasn't 'confirmed' your 80,000 figure; even Hamas’s own health ministry admitted last year they had 'incomplete data' for over 10,000 of their reported deaths. War is a tragedy, but the scale of civilian loss is a direct result of Hamas’s strategy to embed itself under schools and hospitals a war crime you still haven't managed to condemn
in this entire thread.

You aren't a 'former believer' in the Abraham Accords; you're someone who likes the idea of peace as long as Israel doesn't actually defend itself. You want a Jewish state that sits quietly while 150,000 rockets are pointed at its kids. That’s not a peace plan; that’s a suicide pact. If you’re so concerned about 'valuing human life,' go talk to the regime in Tehran that’s currently using Lebanese and Gazan lives as 'macro-economic' tokens. I'm done debating a guy who treats Al Jazeera stickers as legal documents.

It sounds as though we are witnessing the birth of a future superpower, which is clearly not the case

iran doesnt have to be a super power to expel a super power. is a hedgehog mightier than a lion? no. do lions eat hedgehogs? not unless they're starving.

That’s exactly the case. It took the United States a month to realize it. Meanwhile, somewhere nearby there’s a discussion where people have been arguing for four years, unable to grasp that Ukraine has effectively become the same kind of “hedgehog” since mid-2022, being fully supported by both the European Union and the United States.

true, but the USA and Israel haven't taken a large part of Iran to engage in trench warfare, and are unlikely too. Putin failed to topple Ukraine, but he took a big hunk of it.