I dont claim god is bs, i dont believe the claims of his existence is what I say. There zero evidence to back that claim up, theres zero evidence for anything outside of the natural world at all, not just god. I do not believe anything just because I would like it to be true.
I need a reason to believe something or at least consider something am A reason backed up by empirical evidence, not by personal experience or wishful thinking. No scientists made the studies you claim they did. And the bible is not a scientific book. Its ignored for this kind of discussion anyways.

You are not consistent at all.... You just said earlier you do not believe that we came from nothing. Now you are saying you need empirical evidence. Empirical evidence is not bound to a belief. So which is it? You either stick to empirical evidence or you have faith in something that requires belief? Pick one.....

Scientists have made these claims so I guess I'll start citing some....

Here's one,

Concerning the Law of Causality, renowned German philosopher, Immanuel Kant, said that “everything which is contingent has a cause, which, if itself contingent, must also have a cause; and so on, till the series of subordinated causes must end with an absolutely necessary cause, without which it would not possess completeness” (Kant, 2008, p. 284, emp. added). An uncaused Cause is necessary. Only God sufficiently fills that void. Immanuel Kant was a scientist and philosopher from (1724–1804).

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Apr 9 2026 02:40pm

Not believing does not equal believing. Maybe you are confusing me not believing something with a belief. Which it isnt.

Kant was primarily a philospher, it even says it in your post*lol What he says here isnt scientific.

This post was edited by Kaltrato on Apr 9 2026 03:03pm

There is not empirical evidence of the start of the universe. Big bang is a theory, which would require the belief in that occurrence.

So again, pick one.

You either believe in the big bang, or you bind yourself to current technology which limits you to the truth.

Einstein quotes:
Trust in Causality: "For me the cognitive basis is the trust in an unrestricted causality".

The "Thoughts" of God: He famously remarked, "I want to know how God created this world... I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details".

Order in Nature: Einstein believed that difficulties in scientific prediction arose from a "variety of factors in operation, not because of any lack of order in nature".

All pointing towards stating that every material effect must have an adequate cause.

Would you like more quotes from more scientists aligning with this understanding? I gave you a list of many, but there are more than 50% of scientists following this concept and studying this truth.

There is evidence for the big bang. A lot actually. Not proof, but evidence. Good evidence. You might wanna look it up.

Do you see how you desperately quote scientists when they talk about their non-scientific opinion to back up your own believe? You heard me quote anyone so far? No? You know why? I dont have to. The personal opinion of a scientist isnt anything quoteworthy. Kant wasnt even a scientist at all by todays standards while Einstein was of course a famous one. Einsteins scientific work doesnt include god tho. He might have been a religious believer, but that never influenced his work in any way.

By the way, he was an abstract believer. He did not believe in the bible of the christian god. Not a tiny bit.

This post was edited by Kaltrato on Apr 9 2026 03:33pm

The founder of natural science, Isaac Newton, was a Christian theologian first and a scientist second. Natural philosophy cannot be separated from religion

Natural Philosophy has nothing to do with natural science.

I'm quoting scientists because you made the claim that nobody in science is making these claims. This was your exact words, "No scientists made the studies you claim they did."

This isn't me being "desperate". I'm simply providing information that you are misrepresenting.

I guess your bothered that I'm correcting you? I'll stop giving you quotes from actual scientists that have done these studies, but don't sit there and say none said these things about the Law of Causality.

Natural science *is* natural philosophy, lol. You are aware that the Ph in a PhD means philosophy?

Yeah, thats a historically grown term. A scientist is not a philospher by modern standards. Not even close. Dont try to make a fool out of yourself.

This post was edited by Kaltrato on Apr 9 2026 03:40pm