how many of those rockets landed before the start of the war? 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000?

is your position that Iran is literally so stupid that over the course of a few decades they never figured out that you have an Iron dome?

they fired missiles and rockets because they know, as we all know now, that the rate and cost at which you can replace interceptors is far higher than their cost to keep making rockets. it was a macro econ play, keep firing rockets at you that they know will be intercepted so that your defense budget creeps up and you dont have as much funding for offensives.

you actually thought you were under constant rocket fire because they want to kill your kids and they think the rockets will land? holy moley, and you say im out of touch. useful idiot? you spout Bibi propaganda while saying you dont support him. how do the boots taste?

There is a difference between constantly arguing that Iran is on the verge of getting the bomb for thirty years straight to further one's own political cause, and noting that Iran was generally striving for the bomb, without qualifying how close they actually were. Like I said: I can't really tell if Iran was so close to a nuclear breakthrough that it justified this sudden and rushed war, but am very sceptical.

Anyway. I brought up this point specifically because you circled back to the Iran nuclear deal from the Obama era, with your argument basically being that this deal was working (i.e. keeping Iran away from the bomb) and that Trump withdrew from it for no good reason; and that this blunder by Trump was the root cause of the rise of hostilities seen across the past decade. My counterargument is that Iran was always striving for the bomb and was lying about its nuclear ambitions, just like they were demonstrably lying about their ballistic missile program, about the independence of Hezbollah from Teheran, about their involvement in the Oct 7 attacks and about the avatar of an unconscious man who is their new Supreme Leader.


But let me ask you, and also , directly: do you guys believe that Iran was striving for nuclear weapons before 2018, yes or no?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 9 2026 11:32am

Calling the murder of civilians a 'macro-econ play' is a peak basement-dweller take. You’re essentially arguing that because Israel spent billions to build a shield (Iron Dome) to protect its children, the people firing the missiles are actually the rational ones. By that logic, a guy shooting at a crowd wearing bulletproof vests isn't a murderer he’s just 'testing the cost-efficiency of Kevlar.'


You’re asking how many rockets landed? They all would have landed if Israel didn’t prioritize life over 'macro-economics.' The only reason you can sit there and smugly talk about 'interceptors' is because Israel succeeded in defending its people. If Iran’s proxies weren't trying to kill, they wouldn't be aiming at schools and homes in the first place. You don't fire 150,000 rockets at a country just to 'balance a budget

And let’s talk about 'boots.' You’re the one polishing the boots of a theocratic regime that hangs its own citizens for protesting, while you sit in the safety of a world that doesn't require you to run to a bomb shelter in 15 seconds. It’s easy to call it 'Bibi propaganda' when you aren't the one whose life is the 'variable' in Iran’s math problem. If you think a regime spends 45 years building a proxy army just to conduct an economics experiment, you aren't just out of touch you’re doing PR for a death cult.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Apr 9 2026 11:43am

Well did or didn't netanyahu say that supporting hamas was the right thing to do because then a 2 state solution was never on the table.
Did or didn't netenyahu beg qatar to keep the money flowing into hamas sometimes in cars filled to the brink with money and up to 36 mio usd a day?
So if that's the case your government created, financed and supported the very reason for its own war. But ofc it's not like Israel would create a false flag situation against their own population right? It's not like there was a stand down order, missing video tapes of the attacks and soldiers being ordered in the hannibal directive to just shoot at everything right?
It's not like these few ministers would ever gamble with the lives of the very people that voted them into power if it means a clear path for them to "reclaim" what they call the greater israel. That would just be insane right?

You see i never gave anybody a pass at anything. That's your own mental gymnastics doing it's work. In fact i called them "the devil". That being said, any person with any sort of moral compass can hardly disagree with the fact that israel has been committing atrocities for the better part of 70 years and there's a reason why half the sitting ministers is wanted for war crimes...... If i was in your position refusing to oppose a government that has now slaugthered +20,000 kids in an occupied city and just look by while the same government takes over land in the west bank and syria and lebanon without justification or reason then i would probably also need to do some mental gymnastic to sleep at night.
I'm not hyper focused on a few ministers. I'm hyper focused on their results and that result is: Genocide, War Crimes, Displacement, Murder, Rape, Torture and injustice. That's the legacy of Israel and it needs to be stopped. Your argument is boiled down to "look those fuckers over there are bad so you cannot complain about me" which is just insane. Your government is doing atrocities and it needs to stop. Full stop.
Does Iran need to stop atrocities: yes
Does Sudan need to stop atrocities: yes
Does the US need to stop atrocities: yes
The list goes on but it in no way ever excuses what israel is doing.

so when israeli civilians die its a big deal, but when it's gazans or lebanese that just how war works, right?

any time an israeli talks it doesnt take long to find out their lives are sacred and the lives of others are just a casualty of war.

you went on a really long rant because your iq is too low to realize wars have economy involved in them too. you've been at war with Iran for decades, their using a tactic to give them an edge and it's worked well. any time israel gets an opening they go on the offensive and take land, who knows how many offensives were prevented in that time by forcing israel to invest so heavily in interceptors.

the next time you're cowering in a bomb shelter you should blame Bibi and his ilk, they're the reason you're there. maybe consider just moving down there for good, safey that way. you have a right to exist down there.

World I live in has USA Christians dying to kill Muslims on behalf of Jews in Israel. And US military extending age limits and automating registrations now for you know who.

There is Israelis that just care about their families meaning every other jewish person ... Rest of everyone can die..

You just spent three paragraphs justifying rockets fired at civilians as 'smart economics' and then have the nerve to lecture me on the value of human life. You aren't 'strategic,' you're just comfortable. It’s easy to talk about the 'economy of war' when it isn't your kids' lives being used as the currency. I don’t think Israeli lives are more sacred than others I think anyone who fires 150,000 rockets into civilian areas is the one who has decided life is cheap. You’re not an intellectual; you’re just someone who’s found a way to justify the unjustifiable from the safety of a keyboard.

I am not into conspiracies
good day.

Your into defending a genocidal government though, so i thought you might have a better defence than "they are also bad over there"