Yes....they do.....

Human consciousness, self-awareness, and moral reasoning are hard to explain purely materially. This suggests a non-material origin or designer. Constants like gravity, electromagnetism, etc., fall within extremely narrow ranges that allow life. This is evidence of intentional design. Everything in the universe depends on something else for its existence. There must be a necessary being that doesn’t depend on anything else. That being is identified as the creator. The universe is ordered and structured. Complex systems are finely tuned. One thing changes ever so slightly and the result will be catastrophic. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist therefore, the universe must have a cause.

“First Cause” or “Unmoved Mover” that started everything.

These aren't just opinions, these are things that everything we know, math, science, physics, etc all point to.

None of this is possible without a creator. A creator that is not bound to the elements we can study. We can only go so far with our current knowledge and only one thing is possible.

You disagreeing with anything above is you being out of touch with reality. I'm not saying you should be religious as you have the free will to decide your own belief, but not applying your own critical thinking this far out is silly. You are not accidental and life did not come from 2 parents. Life started somehow, someway, outside of "nothing". So you should take time to reflect on that and that alone. You came because of your parents, yes, but also no. That event is only possible because (fill in the blanks).

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Apr 9 2026 09:16am

No they dont. Theres also NO evidence of intentional design. Nothing must be. You assume stuff. All 3 things you mentioned, science, math and physics do not do anything outside of working with what we've got in the natural world. They do not suggest anything else.
You just talk out of your ass, thats all you do.
Science, physics and math do not even think about god. Its not part of what these fields do. Stop talking random nonsense here.

You talk about a god of the gaps. Nothing you mentioned points to god. Unanswered question about the natural world never do. The natural world is ALL our fields of measurement can operate in and its also all they ever will operate in.

If you wanna talk from a philosphical point of view than do it, but stop acting like theres something scientific about god*lol

This post was edited by Kaltrato on Apr 9 2026 09:35am

I didn't say God is scientifically proven....

Let's take my examples and only apply it to the natural.

How can something exist from nothing?

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Apr 9 2026 09:41am

I never said something can. I also never said something cannot. No one makes any claim like this anywhere.

if your believing the lies then it would appear nothing supports the idea of creation

i did a series on 'atheist history. which turned out to be just one fraud after another.
i clearly displayed how the 'monkey magic ('evolution) worked

a summery of 'atheist history would you like to know more on any of these topics. will you challenge the what the liars have said?
1. Charles Darwin and the theory of 'evolution- gets a pass because he didnt call it fact
2.haeckels embryo drawings- 1874- early detected fraud- mass reprinted in textbooks as "proof" for 'evolution. 'atheists "the super logic minds" never did chit to challenge this. when do 'atheists actually become "scientific" as opposed to just "agenda" based liars
3rd piltdown man 1912- 'atheists hold themselves on high claiming to be the greatest critical thinkers that ever graced the world- longest running fraud in the history of modern science. the real mystery is how these clowns ever became the face of modern science?
4th nebraska man 1922- a master work of 'atheist imagination figuring out stuff........
5th whale evolution. incomplete fossils are the best kind of fossils. in fact the worse condition a fossil is in the better it proves 'evolution for some reason? as we will see more of this 'atheist magic in later posts
6th junk DNA should of been the end of atheism. but imaginations and delusions are not defeated by things like facts
7. Harlen Bretz- dont bring science we dont like.
8.Australopithecus afarensis aka lucy "missing link" APE fossil with no hands, feet or face. gets reconstructed with human hands, human feet and face of choice. then its called "proof" of evolution.

that the 'atheist community never called any of this abuse of science out is just more proof what a failure the whole of 'atheism is..........

'atheism and their claims of "critical thinking" is just a trash can full of chit

that you believe 'atheists are honest about the age of the place after what i just showed you? when they have been dishonest from the beginning.

disputes deep time
helium in zircons "proves" the place is young
atmospheric c-14 "proves"" the place is young
'atheists are dishonest when they wont admit competing ideas have merit. wont even mention it

now lets talk about "time"
time is relative. not the speed relativity i am talking about gravity well.
the greater the gravity the slower time moves (this has been proven with atomic clocks place in valleys and on a mountain. then later bringing them together and comparing them.
the universe would be a gigantic gravity well. the earth at or near the center. unless? you one of the odd balls that still believe the universe is infinite? (steady state)
the earth at or near the center of the universe (gravity well) time would move slowest. at the edge of the universe (edge of the gravity well) time would move fastest)
resulting in a universe thats old and young at the same "time" who ever saw that one comming?
whats also funny is they determined the age of the universe by measuring the light from what would be the deep time universes.



absolute low brow response

"hey everybody Kaltrato believes fornication magically poofs babies into existence"

This post was edited by TiStuff on Apr 9 2026 09:56am

You claim science, physics, and math don't point to an alternative, so let's explore.

Science:

First Law of Thermodynamics, which states that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy: The bedrock of physical science (First Law of Thermodynamics) dictates that the total amount of matter and energy in the universe remains constant. Therefore, physical reality cannot emerge from a state of total void.

“First Cause” or “Unmoved Mover” that started everything has to exist, but science can't and will not be able to show how everything started.

Math:

Logical Dependence: In this system, "1" is just a label for a container that holds "nothing." However, the container itself (the set) is considered "something" that must be axiomatically assumed to exist. You cannot prove the existence of a set using only the absence of elements; you must first accept the Axiom of Existence (that at least one set exists). The Zero IdentityIn arithmetic, \(0\) is the additive identity. This means it has no "power" to change another number on its own. For any number \(x\):\(x+0=x\)If you start with \(0\) and add \(0\), you can never reach \(1\) or any other "something." You are mathematically "stuck" at zero unless an outside value or an operation (like a successor function) is introduced.

Same concept, you mathematically can't have anything come out of nothing, so in order for something to exist something has to of always existed.

Physics:

Physics demonstrates that "something can’t come from nothing" through fundamental laws of conservation and the specific way it defines "nothing." The Laws of Conservation (The "Barrier")The most direct evidence is found in the Conservation Laws, which act as the universe's accounting system. They dictate that certain properties of a closed system can never change in total amount. Conservation of Mass-Energy: Einstein’s \(E=mc^2\) showed that mass is just a concentrated form of energy. Because the total "mass-energy" is conserved, new matter cannot spontaneously appear without an equivalent amount of energy being converted or borrowed. The Vacuum is Not Empty: In physics, a vacuum is simply the lowest possible energy state of a system. It is still "something"—it contains space, time, and quantum fields (like the electromagnetic field).Quantum Fluctuations: Particles can "pop" into existence (virtual particles), but they are ripples in these pre-existing fields. They aren't coming from "nothingness"; they are coming from the energy inherent in the field itself. Current physics cannot explain what happened at the "absolute zero" point.

Again, science, physics, and math all start from a very specific point which is all "something" and can't be possible from a state of "nothing" therefore there can't be a point in time where nothing existed.

That leaves only 1 possible scenario, something that sits outside of time and space. Now that I have come to this realization I now bring myself to the conclusion that my faith can't be bound to this world. You use these examples of "billions of years" and I continue to ask about going even further back. Keep going, keep going, keep going, eventually you are going to come to one conclusion.

in order for any of this to be possible it can only come from an eternal state of being.

So what makes you think earth is anywhere near the center of the universe and not somewhere else? thats some next level crap, bro

No scientist, mathematician or physicist has ever said that or would even consider saying this. Dont act like you know something you dont know.

why dont you find out where they say it is. right? your the 'atheist super duper mind all out there thinking n thinking gots them super brains "BECAUSE MUH PARENTS DID SOME SWEATY STUFF"

I never claimed to know this ever in my life.

I was shown this.

Again if you can't even get to the point of reality that something can't come from nothing then we can't even explore any further conversation.

I'm genuinely trying to get to a common understanding with one another before we even include God in the conversation.

If something comes from something, nothing has never existed. Of nothing ever existed then something has always been. This is reality. If you aren't to this understanding then move on until you come to this fact.