Quote (luckspin @ Apr 8 2026 09:40am)

It's good that I don't prioritise "herald farm" then I guess

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Apr 8 2026 08:59am)

All those debates are kinda useless right now, until they nerf warlock/ES

You can get 10x more than what you need already by simply using insight + spirit
100% impossible to die, 10x overkill dmg
It doesn’t mean that other options are bad… it means that you can only spend more money for zero improvement.
In fact, pretty much anything else is more expensive and worse.
Obsession results in less dps and a QoL loss cuz it has an annoying ctc weaken that often overrides your amp.
Now again, not bad at all, just more expensive and a little worse overall. Still too good. The point is not about what is good, everything is too strong right now. So just prioritize a cheap build with high QoL. That’s insight + spirit. You cannot in any possible way obtain a faster clear speed (overkill dmg is overkill dmg), nor can you obtain better QoL. It’s cheap, and in the current state of the game it’s also BiS because it has no downsides, nothing irritating about it. Just too much of everything, more than you could possibly need.

So… instead of having pointless debates, enjoy it while it last.
We will have real debates once the nerfs are done, and nobody can predict how/when it’ll be done.

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Apr 8 2026 10:59am)

All those debates are kinda useless right now, until they nerf warlock/ES

You can get 10x more than what you need already by simply using insight + spirit
100% impossible to die, 10x overkill dmg
It doesn’t mean that other options are bad… it means that you can only spend more money for zero improvement.
In fact, pretty much anything else is more expensive and worse.
Obsession results in less dps and a QoL loss cuz it has an annoying ctc weaken that often overrides your amp.
Now again, not bad at all, just more expensive and a little worse overall. Still too good. The point is not about what is good, everything is too strong right now. So just prioritize a cheap build with high QoL. That’s insight + spirit. You cannot in any possible way obtain a faster clear speed (overkill dmg is overkill dmg), nor can you obtain better QoL. It’s cheap, and in the current state of the game it’s also BiS because it has no downsides, nothing irritating about it. Just too much of everything, more than you could possibly need.

So… instead of having pointless debates, enjoy it while it last.
We will have real debates once the nerfs are done, and nobody can predict how/when it’ll be done.

Quote (luckspin @ Apr 8 2026 10:40am)

It's good that I don't prioritise "herald farm" then I guess

Quote (Silenkiller @ Apr 8 2026 04:23pm)

Idk everyone that always says this i dont think spends very much time farming t5 heralds, theres numerous ways you want you to min/max that experience since it takes like 4 hours each session
1. Dying sucks, especially since you cant leave the game you are in if you have mf bugged yourself. Not to mention losing your demon that you had to kill and then rebind to do the souls trick. You can easily die from lots of t5 packs depending on their mods if you don't have max res.
2. T5 packs can be omega tanky so you need max dps to kill them quickly.
3. You are gonna be also horking the bodies on a barb so that means avoiding anything that causes you to lose said body.




Well then idk what you are doing because latent sunders are the only thing if value worth farming at this point in the ladder

Quote (bQQ @ Apr 8 2026 05:32pm)

nothing has value, min/maxing would involve getting a 2nd job irl to fund fg purchases if you can't afford it

the only thing on this game worth farming is aura farming B)

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Apr 8 2026 10:59pm)

All those debates are kinda useless right now, until they nerf warlock/ES

You can get 10x more than what you need already by simply using insight + spirit
100% impossible to die, 10x overkill dmg
It doesn’t mean that other options are bad… it means that you can only spend more money for zero improvement.
In fact, pretty much anything else is more expensive and worse.
Obsession results in less dps and a QoL loss cuz it has an annoying ctc weaken that often overrides your amp.
Now again, not bad at all, just more expensive and a little worse overall. Still too good. The point is not about what is good, everything is too strong right now. So just prioritize a cheap build with high QoL. That’s insight + spirit. You cannot in any possible way obtain a faster clear speed (overkill dmg is overkill dmg), nor can you obtain better QoL. It’s cheap, and in the current state of the game it’s also BiS because it has no downsides, nothing irritating about it. Just too much of everything, more than you could possibly need.

So… instead of having pointless debates, enjoy it while it last.
We will have real debates once the nerfs are done, and nobody can predict how/when it’ll be done.

Quote (SpanielArmada @ Apr 9 2026 12:55am)

Y’all can say whatever you want. I’m still going to be pointlessly aggressive with people who prefer marginally different setups over mine even if clear speeds are functionally identical. If you’re brave enough point that out I’ll just come up with even more obscure and irrational reasons my setup is better. My lack of common sense can outpace your reasoning skills so don’t even try, chumps.