Quote (Onyxdian @ Apr 7 2026 02:48pm)

the most % ed u can lose is 50% (perfect proc stone) , but its not a big deal

and if u want, go take a look of avg damage comparisson between hyperion spear and archon staff , then go look up ES damage formula

u will know how much diff it makes

Quote (Silenkiller @ Apr 8 2026 02:51am)

the weapon base dmg doesnt really matter all that much really
the interesting part is that +crit levels up with your +skills thats pretty cool

Quote (Onyxdian @ Apr 7 2026 02:57pm)

yep.. cause u are focusing the proc jewel in weapon which gives ed to the weapon , so what im trying to say is that insight wep ed will end up higher than ariocs too..

insight275ed (15ed base) * higher base damage

vs
perf arioc with proc jewel
280ed * lower base damage

Quote (Onyxdian @ 7 Apr 2026 21:57)

yep.. cause u are focusing the proc jewel in weapon which gives ed to the weapon , so what im trying to say is that insight wep ed will end up higher than ariocs too..

insight275ed (15ed base) * higher base damage

vs
perf arioc with proc jewel
280ed * lower base damage

Quote (al1as @ Apr 7 2026 02:51pm)

everyone telling u that nothing can beat insight and u are trying to tell us that urs 75fcr setup is top....
use whatever u like but dont tell us what is better go at youtube u will find there more rands that will tell u that u are right :D
we have used and that useless arioc we have even used that more useless protector jool... atm we are focused at heralds and speed with mf


since we got top min dmg and hight crit lvl we dont even need skillers and or res all in my inventory is 7mf scs

most of us got 3 goals
1) get any insight with 6crit and haphisto with holy freeze/fire/shock extra fast cursed
2) get 125fcr
3) get as much mf as u can
4) roll a 4soc eth archon and made real insight

urs goals
1) get as much screen dmg as i can fana haphisto is best!
2) i dont need 125fcr (thats why i need res cus im slow teler)
3) phoenix for mana problems

Quote (Silenkiller @ Apr 8 2026 02:58am)

the +4 skills is just too good unfortunately, still loses out on dmg
tbh this has been proven by like 10 other people on jsp

Quote (al1as @ Apr 8 2026 03:01am)

u cant watch AVG dmg on arioc with 50DS + 37DS from HL 10DS from gore
u have to watch min dmg on arioc aways

Quote (Silenkiller @ 7 Apr 2026 22:01)

idk who u are even responding to
must be translation issue

Quote (Onyxdian @ Apr 7 2026 03:04pm)

with arioc u are not able to use bk/soj/mara/seraph/loh if u want to reach fcr bp , so u cant just plainly use +4 skills advantage over insight

yeah im aware of that , just trying to say arioc avg wep damage is lower when u get a perf one and sox a perf proc stone :P

Quote (al1as @ Apr 7 2026 03:06pm)

to one person wich is telling me that 207min dmg from arioc can outbid the 474min dmg from eth insight archon staff
the one person wich doesnt even know what add is 6 crit strike from insight

Quote (Silenkiller @ Apr 8 2026 03:08am)

im not using bk/soj/mara lol

idk, no matter how u wanna cut it arioc still is more dmg than insight sorry bro
but do whatever works for your build goals