why do you get more +CS than whats shown on the weapon? are you saying other +all skills will apply?

also i have no idea what ur trying to say about ES skill level due to FCR lol

yes... +all skill is applied to cs , enigma/mara/annis/bk/soj/ u named it

FCR in insight frees up fcr for your ring or ammy where u can use bk/soj/mara/seraph which compensate the +4 skill in ariocs

thats what we all always trying to say , the cs in insight is just simply OP and busted and make insight the bis in whatever setup

This post was edited by Onyxdian on Apr 7 2026 12:42pm

Man, people get really excited about this.

There is no question Insight does more damage and is better bang for your buck. That can be proven with math.

I still prefer Obsession. I like the way the staff looks. I like how the insane stats allow me to be lazy with all my other gear and still hit all my breakpoints / cap resists. I like being invulnerable. I like putting Insight + Cure on my Prayer merc for the triple synergy.
I never use potions. Don't seem to have any problem with T5 harolds in P8 games

It's all moot. Use what you want.

oh wow i had no idea it did that, alright that definitely will change the calculations.

if you put the protector jewel in any other slot though i believe it bugs the %ed
so you end up losing a lot of % ED that way (cant use it in a shield with ed) nor can you use it with a 2nd ED jewel

the crit thing is interesting though I had no idea it worked that way

the thing is its not actually moot, ive ran obsession and when you farm p8 t5 heralds you will spend 10 mins trying to kill some of those packs, been there done that

and the insight vs ariocs is still very debatable you you factor in being able to socket the protector jewel in the weapon itself

you say u have no issues but ive ran it and its taken foooreever to kill em

This post was edited by Silenkiller on Apr 7 2026 12:44pm

u are damn right only for one urs setup bring us more screen dmg and that its im sure u play even with fana haphisto but never will be more useble then insight (im sad for urs fg loss for eth arioc they were OP as hell now all know that its pure fg wase)
about rest u are totaly rong
first of all crit strike is not the same as deadly strike
u get 50/50 chance to aply CS or DS and its much better when u get over 80% CS then pumping DS...
cs and DS both hit with double of urs minimum dmg and urs arioc cant beat insight archon staff...

in times when everyone hunt heralds even with two accs (horker) u are using phoenix.... we are loosing our time talking with u

This post was edited by al1as on Apr 7 2026 12:46pm

lol my fg waste? xD
i have all of the items mentioned, experimenting with builds is the fun part of the game
i think you need to go outside and touch some grass if you are getting upset over this discussion

edit: and im not using a phoenix lol
brother pls go take a vacation

This post was edited by Silenkiller on Apr 7 2026 12:49pm

the most % ed u can lose is 50% (perfect proc stone) , but its not a big deal

and if u want, go take a look of avg damage comparisson between hyperion spear and archon staff , then go look up ES damage formula

u will know how much diff it makes

This post was edited by Onyxdian on Apr 7 2026 12:49pm

everyone telling u that nothing can beat insight and u are trying to tell us that urs 75fcr setup is top....
use whatever u like but dont tell us what is better go at youtube u will find there more rands that will tell u that u are right
we have used and that useless arioc we have even used that more useless protector jool... atm we are focused at heralds and speed with mf


since we got top min dmg and hight crit lvl we dont even need skillers and or res all in my inventory is 7mf scs

most of us got 3 goals
1) get any insight with 6crit and haphisto with holy freeze/fire/shock extra fast cursed
2) get 125fcr
3) get as much mf as u can
4) roll a 4soc eth archon and made real insight

urs goals
1) get as much screen dmg as i can fana haphisto is best!
2) i dont need 125fcr (thats why i need res cus im slow teler)
3) phoenix for mana problems

This post was edited by al1as on Apr 7 2026 12:58pm

the weapon base dmg doesnt really matter all that much really
the interesting part is that +crit levels up with your +skills thats pretty cool