Yes, we are rational agents with the ability to choose. Some chose to not participate in the divine life

Most of use are not rational.

demonstrate this

your lion analogy is a category error. a lion is a slave to instinct as it has no moral agency. by comparing humans to lions, you're admitting you don't believe in human freedom or responsibility

I mean that irrationality is part of the human conditions. No one is a purely rational being with agency and consciousnesses.

Your saying that were are rational agents with the ability to choose, in my opinion, is a misunderstanding of humanity.

We too are slaves to instinct. Have you met another human before?

you’re confusing psychological fallibility with ontological nature. to even make that observation, you are presupposing a transcendental standard of reason that you are using to judge humanity. if we aren't rational agents with agency, then you didn't 'choose' your opinion, and you aren't 'reasoning' with me right now.. you’re just a sophisticated chemical reaction that happened to fire in this specific way with no meaning or purpose. you cannot even construct a sentence without first presupposing God. for your argument to be true, you have to be a rational agent capable of knowing the truth.

demonstrate this (not using reason since we are just slaves to instinct obviously)

This post was edited by majorblood on Apr 6 2026 11:03pm

Fallibility that your god created us to have.



We aren't purely rational agents with perfect/ultimate agency.




I said we too are slaves to instinct. I did not say just slaves to instinct.

God created us with the ability to choose, this is not inherent fallibility. We freely chose to stray away, which caused said destruction, decay, and literal damage to the human nature. Christ healed humanity by assuming it and, through theosis, synergized fallen human nature we all share to the divine life. Through free will we can freely choose to accept His grace and align our energia with His. This is the normative ontological healing to the fallen human nature, a choice every single person has to freely choose. Grace is given mysteriously in cases where He chooses to, I cannot say who is healed and who isn't.

nobody said we are perfect rational agents, we are damaged due to the fall.

if you admit we aren't just slaves to instinct, then you’ve conceded the argument. a slave with the power to say 'no' to his master (sin) isn't a slave, he’s a free agent. The angels rejoice in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance

This post was edited by majorblood on Apr 6 2026 11:28pm