Quote (D_urRRR @ Apr 7 2026 01:15am)

You should read the bible :)

Quote (D_urRRR @ Apr 7 2026 04:10pm)

Show me where in the bible he created death, suffering or disease.

Quote (x_h @ Apr 6 2026 09:16pm)

So, your god isn't responsible for everything that exists?

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 7 2026 01:37am)

no there are secondary causes

Quote (x_h @ Apr 6 2026 08:05pm)

If you think everything is perfectly designed how do you explain cancer? If we were perfectly designed, wouldn't we not get cancer?

Quote (addone @ Apr 6 2026 08:11pm)

He doesn't owe you an explanation on behalf of the universe. Asserting there is a god without proof is an argument from ignorance.
A lack of explanation for something doesn't mean you can fill those gaps with whatever magic man you choose and not provide any proof.

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Quote (addone @ Apr 6 2026 08:33pm)

The other day I realized the bible doesn't deny the existence of other gods it just asks not to worship them. In fact it provides affirmations that they exist it even lists some of the gods like:

Baal: The Canaanite storm and fertility god, often depicted as a rival to Yahweh.
Ashtoreth (Astarte): The Canaanite goddess of fertility, consort of Baal.
Chemosh: The national god of Moab, whom Solomon built a temple to.
Dagon: The Philistine god, often associated with grain or fish.
Molech (Milcom): The god of the Ammonites, associated with child sacrifice.
Nebuchadnezzar's gods: Bel (Marduk) and Nebo, the Babylonian deities.
Rimmon: A Syrian god worshiped by the people of Damascus.
The Queen of Heaven: A goddess identified with Ishtar or Ashtoreth, worshiped in Judah.
Adrammelech, Anammelech, Ashima, Nibhaz, Tartak, Succoth-benoth Deities worshiped by the Samaritans and other Assyrian settlers.

Which means if you are a bible believer you must also believe other gods do exist just like jesus but it is haram for you to worship them.

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Quote (x_h @ Apr 6 2026 09:39pm)

That still means your god is the primary cause.

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 7 2026 01:40am)

He is the primary cause of all existence yes, and He gave humans free will and the ability to make their own choices.

Quote (x_h @ Apr 6 2026 09:45pm)

He created all of existence though, if humans by their nature make the wrong decisions, it's only because that's how your god wants us to be.

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 7 2026 01:50am)

Humans by their nature have the capability to freely choose, and are not determined robots, this does not mean He wants us to choose death and destruction. This does not logically follow.

If he did not allow us the capability of choice and we are simply slaves to His will and not freely choosing to participate in the divine life.

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 7 2026 04:37pm)

no there are secondary causes, e.g. he did not create the iphone. evil is a parasitic reality. it has no substance of its own, it only exists as a corruption of a good creation.

death, decay, and destruction are the consequence from straying away from the sustainer of life

God doesn't just exist transcendent of reality, he actively sustains it. The Logos is at all times maintaining reality.

He freely allows us to choose to stray away, and in humanity's choice of this death, decay, and destruction entered the world. this ontological damage was healed on the cross, for us to freely choose to be healed by His Grace