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Mar 25 2026 06:41am
dude.. share the maxroll link and see the numbers, its easier that way :rofl:
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dude.. share the maxroll link and see the numbers, its easier that way :rofl:


I‘m old dude :D tell me ed% on consume and I do all the math with skill levels :D …how does this maxroll thing work ?

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Mar 25 2026 06:44am
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Mar 25 2026 07:46am
Ok looked it up; consume adds around ~100% only so talking all sources of ed (sunder added):

~Level 20 levitation mastery: 101% ed
Level 24 might (merc level 95+4skills): 270% ed
Level 20 conq from pride: 345% ed
Level 12 fana (tz96 bind demon): 237% ed
Consume: ~ 100% ed
Sunder charm: 100%

overall 1153% ED without offhand
With 400 phoenix: 1553% ed
With 155 meph(40ed jewel): 1308% ed but more base Damage and more crit


Now we have the ed numbers Someone smarter than me may be able to calculate the actual damage numbers in a char-planer

To sum it up:

Phoenix is realy strong but you can reach above 1300% ed without it already.

At this point more skill damage and ESPECIALY more deadly strike will be better than more added ed(—> arioc-meph) . Even though insight reaches high crit, arioc still gets ~20% more. And crit is multiplied with your skill damage AND ed (wich is insanely high, even without phoenix).

The actual Ed gap gets closer if you take ed from + skills into account (higher gostman, higher consume, higher Levi mastery)
You also Deal more magic damage with more skills and the -res from meph, wich seems small but is realy good against the only hard enemys: Stoneskin and immunes. You can even spent 2-5 synergy points to boost your Sigil, since you don‘t need to spend so much points into demon tree.

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Mar 25 2026 07:47am
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Mar 25 2026 09:07am
Edit: totally forgot consume :D … that is even more Ed%, benefiting arioc even more

Adding some math for ed:

Assuming a level 20 levitation mastery (arioc will have more but keeping it simple)

You have following sources of ED without your offhand:

Level 20 levitation mastery: 101% ed
Level 24 might (merc level 95+4skills): 270% ed
Level 20 conq from pride: 345% ed
Level 12 fana (tz96 bind demon): 237% ed
(Sunder charm 100% ed) : not counting since I would go for -10 instead.

overall 953% ED without offhand
With 400 phoenix: 1353%
With 155 meph(40ed jewel): 1108%


Edit: forgot consume, to lazy to look up exact stat atm, but this makes the gap even smaller in relation to the overall ed!!

As you can see Phoenix still has more damage but without it you can still reach up to 1100+ ed.

At the point of 1k off-ed + it is surely better to increase your actual base damage than its multiplier even more.
And the best ways to do this for ES is Deadly strike and skill damage.

Arioc with Mephisto does exactly this:it gives 6 more skills or even more depending on setup and around 20% more deadly strike.
Deadly strike especially is multiplied with your base damage AND ed , making it the absolute best damage stat there is.

Simple example with simple damage numbers to compare:


1. insight
Base damage: 50
Ed: 1353
Crit: 70%
-> 676.5 damage with 70% chance to double it

2.arioc
Base damage: 65
Ed: 1108
Crit:90%
—> 720 damage with a 90% chance to double it.

50 and 65 is pulled out of my as but you get what I mean.
We already have so much ED that phoenix isn’t as crazy as it is on most meele chars, especially since warlock benefits way more from + skills than other meele builds. You will be able to get even more ed on arioc than shown since your levitation will be higher and you could get 100 more ed from a sunder , at wich point more skill damage/ds pulls ahead even more.

So the +2 on meph do a lot and it has up to 155 ed itself.

One thing about Mephisto/arioc that flys under the radar pretty often:
Having a lot more + skills and -20 magic res helps your sigil Damage A LOT.
This doesn‘t seem crazy but it is actualy a big boost in killspeed vs immunes and stoneskins.
Those are the only enemy’s that aren’t oneshot most of the time with es, so boosting your magic damage may be better for overall clearspeed than people assume.

Also more + skills doesn‘t only mean more skill damage, it also means you have a higher levitation mastery (closing the ed gap to Phoenix even more) .
You will also be able to get level 20 letharrgy super easy wich makes it bigger radius.
You will hit your level 20 demon mastery way sooner. Your consume level will be higher (-> more ed again)

So you actual can have some skillpoints left with arioc. You could squeeze even more Ed out of levitation mastery and even 1-2 points of crit. Or put synergy points for your sigil to boost your magic damage (especially vs stoneskin).

All in all arioc+meph does noticeable more damage with the right setup than insight/phoenix but it’s not by a mile.

Without gg gear and huge ed sources phoenix adds crazy damage.

But in a gg setup you gain so much ed already that skill damage and especially ds is getting more important.

Edit: I forgot consume :D that means a big chunk of even more Ed .
This shifts the conversation even more in favor of more skill damage instead of even more ed….


just saw u use base damage for insight which is insanely low..

we are using eth archon staff (91 avg ) where hyperion spear is (77avg)

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Mar 25 2026 09:26am
just saw u use base damage for insight which is insanely low..

we are using eth archon staff (91 avg ) where hyperion spear is (77avg)


By base damage I mean base SKILL damage without ed. The weapon damage is such a small part. Realy doesn‘t matter .

Ondal and obsession have no ed at all and still get more damage just from theire + skills than eth forti. That’s why everybody starts running obsession over Forti or BOTD and stuff… + skills are just realy realy good on this build

Arioc has more skill damage cause more + skills on itself + Mephisto vs insight m/phoenix . That’s what I meant.

The weapon damage itself almost doesn’t matter.

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Mar 25 2026 09:31am
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Mar 25 2026 11:19am
By base damage I mean base SKILL damage without ed. The weapon damage is such a small part. Realy doesn‘t matter .

Ondal and obsession have no ed at all and still get more damage just from theire + skills than eth forti. That’s why everybody starts running obsession over Forti or BOTD and stuff… + skills are just realy realy good on this build

Arioc has more skill damage cause more + skills on itself + Mephisto vs insight m/phoenix . That’s what I meant.

The weapon damage itself almost doesn’t matter.


yes.. and arioc full gear is level 47 es , insight full gear is level 45 es

to make it simple



they are using same identical inventory , both is 125fcr

this is with dummy target , fyi insight will do more damage when we put the target undead

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yes.. and arioc full gear is level 47 es , insight full gear is level 45 es

to make it simple

https://i.imgur.com/s6FxOdl.png

they are using same identical inventory , both is 125fcr

this is with dummy target , fyi insight will do more damage when we put the target undead


How much deadly strike you have on those setups ?
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How much deadly strike you have on those setups ?


arioc = 90%
insight = 78%
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Mar 25 2026 11:29am
Dat insight maxi tho
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Mar 25 2026 11:35am
arioc = 90%
insight = 78%


Nice. So you don’t run highlord but phoenix?

How do you get only 2 less skills on insight then ? Phoenix insight looses 6 skills on weapon/offhand vs arioc/meph.

Running arioc with a 3/20 circlet atm.
Do you have skill rings with insight ?

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Mar 25 2026 11:36am
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