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why does Thomas recieve the fruit of being the only human to ever touch the resurrected messiah. thats kinda the crux of the argument im making. sorry if this was not clear. the verse i just referred you to says that you cannot draw near to God without faith. Thomas lacks faith, yet is the only one who draws near to God once he has proven his status.

From my perspective it seems like you believe the verse is saying that he is elevating people who have blind faith? As in this is the way he wants you to behave?

When he says "blessed are the poor in spirit" do you think he's also instructing you to suffer needlessly so that you might earn some favor? Many Christians have interpreted a similar message. Im sure you would say that encouraging self-flaggelation is not what was intended by the verse.

“A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."

If faith was required to bear good fruit, Thomas would not be able to bear good fruit.
If Thomas bears good fruit without faith, Faith is not required to bear good fruit.

Now this contradicts a whole bunch of other beliefs in your books but Im just trying to show you that based on your own story there is no need for you to blindly believe in something without proof. otherwise your justification is the same as someone who believe truly that they are possessed by alien version of the neighbour from home improvement. just because you believe something doesnt make it real, and if something is real your belief or disbelief wont impact whether others share the experience of the thing


John 20:29
King James Version
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

If it helps you do what you need to do. But I am not going to even attempt to read what looks like 3rd grader scribbles.





Unlike you I don't really care where it comes from as long as its a valid. I am just pointing out the irony which clearly went right over your head.
You still haven't summarized your long winded walls of text. Which means you aren't here to communicate truthfully but to be difficult and annoying. I am willing to tolerate people but up to a point. If you aren't here to have a healthy respectable discussion like a developed adult. Then you are wasting your time.


like napkin scribbles?




This is what I do, just one level up from you. Rather than looking at one story, I look at all of them. My religion encourage me to look for proof and disproof everywhere I can because it has confidence in its methodology being repeatable. When people become entrenched in their beliefs it lead to bad ideas being propagated. When you have a belief you should not take ownership over it, or else you will attach it to your own ego. Even by your own belief system, if you believe in Jesus it is because God set that path before you and you merely took the steps. He did the same for the atheists. Or doubters :thumbsup:


this is false. i seen you reject an idea merely because it comes from a christian source. such a lack of scientific curiosity you dont even check for other sources on the topic

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#42 – Did God Reveal His Name Yahweh to the Patriarchs?
It seems that even God can contradict himself — or at least, that’s how it appears in the Bible! In Exodus 6:3, God tells Moses: “I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty [El Shaddai], but by my name ‘The LORD’ [Yahweh], I did not make myself known to them.”

This statement suggests that Yahweh’s name was unknown to the patriarchs. But earlier in Genesis 15:7, God declares to Abraham: “I am The LORD [Yahweh], who brought you from Ur of the Chaldeans.” Additionally, the name Yahweh is used repeatedly throughout Genesis.

#43 – Where Did Aaron, the Brother of Moses, Die?
This is another possible example of a contradiction in the Bible! In Numbers 20:28 and Numbers 33:38, Aaron is said to have died and remained on the top of Mount Hor, a location emphasized as the site of his death and burial.

However, in Deuteronomy 10:6, Aaron is reported to have died and been buried at Moser (or Moseroth), a completely different location.

After a couple of Old Testament examples of the contradictions in the Bible and clear differences, let’s get back to the New Testament. After all, when it comes to the contradictions in the Bible, most people think of the Gospels and the story of Jesus’ life!

#44 – Jesus’ Trial Before Pilate: Silent or Conversational?
The Gospel accounts of Jesus’ trial before Pilate reveal stark differences, particularly between Mark and John. In Mark 15:2-5, Jesus remains almost entirely silent during the interrogation, uttering only the cryptic phrase “You say so” when asked if he is the King of the Jews.

In contrast, John 18:33-38 presents a dramatically different scene where Jesus engages in an extended and profound dialogue with Pilate. Here, Jesus discusses the nature of his kingdom, truth, and authority, portraying him as a figure of wisdom and divine insight.
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If it helps you do what you need to do. But I am not going to even attempt to read what looks like 3rd grader scribbles.



Unlike you I don't really care where it comes from as long as its a valid. I am just pointing out the irony which clearly went right over your head.
You still haven't summarized your long winded walls of text. Which means you aren't here to communicate truthfully but to be difficult and annoying. I am willing to tolerate people but up to a point. If you aren't here to have a healthy respectable discussion like a developed adult. Then you are wasting your time.


A healthy respectable discussion; like your napkin argument or memes you have been posting this entire thread?

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=106876854&f=27&p=678157462#p678157462

You haven't even come up with your own set of arguments.
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A healthy respectable discussion; like your napkin argument or memes you have been posting this entire thread?

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=106876854&f=27&p=678157462#p678157462

You haven't even come up with your own set of arguments.


Whats the problem? The napkin is an illustrative analogy of how absurd the bible is by applying same circular logic. Can't believe you guys are still triggered by a napkin.

I have come up with plenty of my own arguments here is most recent one:

Lets entertain your methodology of accepting magical/supernatural/god etc

Faith = belief in something without proof or logic complete trust. Faith is another word for "just trust me bro"

Faith doesn't provide proof it just asks you to accept something to be true but that isnt enough.
For example there are 1000's of gods as you know and all of them ask you to have faith.

If you apply faith alone you would end up believing in every one of them yet its a contradictory stance. Clearly faith isn't the determining factor. What other method and criteria are you using to filter out which gods are real and which aren't?


If you are brave enough you may attempt to answer it.


*Side note*

Just seen your profile and it has a couple of quotes of me.... there have been so many bangers and those are the ones you choose? I am disappointed.

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Lets entertain your methodology of accepting magical/supernatural/god etc

Faith = belief in something without proof or logic complete trust. Faith is another word for "just trust me bro"

Faith doesn't provide proof it just asks you to accept something to be true but that isnt enough.
For example there are 1000's of gods as you know and all of them ask you to have faith.

If you apply faith alone you would end up believing in every one of them yet its a contradictory stance. Clearly faith isn't the determining factor. What other method and criteria are you using to filter out which gods are real and which aren't?


I think you are talking about a different religion than true Christianity. For Christian (as proclaimed by bible), "faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see (Hebrew 11 NET)", without evidences (not convincing) it is not true faith. The bible didn't criticize those who haven't seen Jesus, but those who see Jesus including his miracle, but still don't believe there is more in this world. The biblical condemned the irrational, those who choose to "believe" contrary to evidence revealed, including those who bear false witnesses, control media/mobs with rhetor, beating/killing prophets for speaking out, etc...

It does not means all proclaimed Christian have faith, it is often easier to find people who think they are Christian but very little faith (including those blindly following "religion" than spending time think critically), for "wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction."

Bible was not treated fairly compare to other ancient literature. If you measure bible with the same lens as other ancient east text, you will know that:

1. Bible is based on history, with many reference that can cross check with other archaeological and historical text
2. Bible is story teller, it uses pov understandable to ancient people in order to communicate ideas - main rebuke on false idol, believing in falsehood, etc...
3. Bible is testimony, many human authors provided different narrative (which is more reliable than a single "consistent" narrative), with main focus - Jesus is Christ, being convinced and confident that the witness choose to pay the price (to die) than to conform to the oppressing authority. Witness is martyr.

Problem for modern world: Satan have no problem using "church" there are false Christians (but we cannot know the hearts so bible tells us not to judge), Christian do wrong/sinful things unintentional (it wasn't clear those who sin intentionally is true Christian), becoming Christian in western world isn't costly to weed out believers with little faith. Those outside of the faith is difficult to see true witness.
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I think you are talking about a different religion than true Christianity. For Christian (as proclaimed by bible), "faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see (Hebrew 11 NET)", without evidences (not convincing) it is not true faith. The bible didn't criticize those who haven't seen Jesus, but those who see Jesus including his miracle, but still don't believe there is more in this world. The biblical condemned the irrational, those who choose to "believe" contrary to evidence revealed, including those who bear false witnesses, control media/mobs with rhetor, beating/killing prophets for speaking out, etc...

It does not means all proclaimed Christian have faith, it is often easier to find people who think they are Christian but very little faith (including those blindly following "religion" than spending time think critically), for "wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction."

Bible was not treated fairly compare to other ancient literature. If you measure bible with the same lens as other ancient east text, you will know that:

1. Bible is based on history, with many reference that can cross check with other archaeological and historical text
2. Bible is story teller, it uses pov understandable to ancient people in order to communicate ideas - main rebuke on false idol, believing in falsehood, etc...
3. Bible is testimony, many human authors provided different narrative (which is more reliable than a single "consistent" narrative), with main focus - Jesus is Christ, being convinced and confident that the witness choose to pay the price (to die) than to conform to the oppressing authority. Witness is martyr.

Problem for modern world: Satan have no problem using "church" there are false Christians (but we cannot know the hearts so bible tells us not to judge), Christian do wrong/sinful things unintentional (it wasn't clear those who sin intentionally is true Christian), becoming Christian in western world isn't costly to weed out believers with little faith. Those outside of the faith is difficult to see true witness.


Thanks for being an adult feels like I have been conversing with a bunch of 3rd graders lately.

Regarding my question I am implicitly stating why should faith in the Christian God get a pass when others don't? Bible very often asks the reader to have faith without providing any proof or evidence
John 14:1, Jesus says, “Don’t be worried! Have faith in God and have faith in me."

You can ask someone to trust or have faith them only so much. There comes a point when proof is required. Don't know about you but I am not holding my breath for 2000 years.


In your response

1. Bible is very loosesly based on history. There is no proof of heaven, hell, magical garden, no evidence of a global flood from 3549 years ago only a few regional floods, no proof of Egyptian plagues, no proof of exodus and many more
I would say its a storybook that tries to pass itself as a history book. Just because it has a couple of real world locations mentioned doesn't mean everything else also happened. You are welcome to provide evidence to the contrary.

2. Yes bible is a storyteller we agree there, but the stories are predominantly fiction.

3. Bible is an unverified testimony. Just like other religions it makes a bunch of extraordinary claims and asks the reader to accept them.
There are second hand accounts that only confirm there were christian people who worshiped christianity. They do not confirm the authenticity of jesus or any of his so called miracles or any of the other magical things that bible purpots, simply on the fact nearly all of them weren't even born in the same century.

So I ask again if you have 1000's of gods and religions faith alone is insufficient. What other methodology and criteria are you using to determine their authenticity (if any)?
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John 20:29
this is false. i seen you reject an idea merely because it comes from a christian source. such a lack of scientific curiosity you dont even check for other sources on the topic


you havent seen my quoting the bible all over the place? just because i question the integrity of modern translations doesnt mean im not reading the bible or that i dont think christ was one of the most important figures in human and religious history. that turn the other cheek stuff probably saved the world from ruin more than once, even tho most christians today think what he really meant is eye for an eye and what he really mean by that is if you spit in my eye i bomb your bloodline for generations
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you havent seen my quoting the bible all over the place? just because i question the integrity of modern translations doesnt mean im not reading the bible or that i dont think christ was one of the most important figures in human and religious history. that turn the other cheek stuff probably saved the world from ruin more than once, even tho most christians today think what he really meant is eye for an eye and what he really mean by that is if you spit in my eye i bomb your bloodline for generations


never heard that one before
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Whats the problem? The napkin is an illustrative analogy of how absurd the bible is by applying same circular logic. Can't believe you guys are still triggered by a napkin.

I have come up with plenty of my own arguments here is most recent one:



If you are brave enough you may attempt to answer it.


*Side note*

Just seen your profile and it has a couple of quotes of me.... there have been so many bangers and those are the ones you choose? I am disappointed.

Lets entertain your methodology of accepting magical/supernatural/god etc

Faith = belief in something without proof or logic complete trust. Faith is another word for "just trust me bro"

Faith doesn't provide proof it just asks you to accept something to be true but that isnt enough.
For example there are 1000's of gods as you know and all of them ask you to have faith.

If you apply faith alone you would end up believing in every one of them yet its a contradictory stance. Clearly faith isn't the determining factor. What other method and criteria are you using to filter out which gods are real and which aren't?


Everyone has Faith. It's what you put your Faith in that matters. You can have all the Faith that if you sit on that table that it won't break. Yet if that table isn't sturdy then it will break when you sit on it. What about that chair you are sitting on right now? How do you know that it won't suddenly break on you? You have Faith that the chair will hold your weight.

You can have all the Faith in the world but if what you are putting your Faith in isn't Faithful then what good is it? So the big question is whether or not God is Faithful. Can God be trusted? Is God Faithful to His Word? Do you trust the creator of the Universe?

The good thing is that you can look at past history to see how it went when the Prophets of old put their Faith in God. Let's read it together.

Hebrews 11:1-40 ESV

By Faith

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. 11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14 For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son, 18 of whom it was said, “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 19 He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back. 20 By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau. 21 By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff. 22 By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they were not afraid of the king's edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and sprinkled the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn might not touch them.

29 By faith the people crossed the Red Sea as on dry land, but the Egyptians, when they attempted to do the same, were drowned. 30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days. 31 By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. 36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two,[a] they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— 38 of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.



[Verse 1]
By faith we see the hand of God
In the light of creation's grand design
In the lives of those who prove His faithfulness
Who walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 2]
By faith our fathers roamed the earth
With the power of His promise in their hearts
Of a holy city built by God's own hand
A place where peace and justice reign

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul's reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We'll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 3]
By faith the prophets saw a day
When the longed-for Messiah would appear
With the power to break the chains of sin and death
And rise triumphant from the grave

[Verse 4]
By faith the church was called to go
In the power of the Spirit to the lost
To deliver captives and to preach good news
In every corner of the earth
You might also like
Do I Make You Proud?
Taylor Hicks
Create In Me A Clean Heart
Acappella
Thank You Lord (Live)
Paul Baloche
[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 5]
By faith this mountain shall be moved
And the power of the gospel shall prevail
For we know in Christ all things are possible
For all who call upon His name

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
Ohh, we will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
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Everyone has Faith. It's what you put your Faith in that matters. You can have all the Faith that if you sit on that table that it won't break. Yet if that table isn't sturdy then it will break when you sit on it. What about that chair you are sitting on right now? How do you know that it won't suddenly break on you? You have Faith that the chair will hold your weight.

You can have all the Faith in the world but if what you are putting your Faith in isn't Faithful then what good is it? So the big question is whether or not God is Faithful. Can God be trusted? Is God Faithful to His Word? Do you trust the creator of the Universe?

The good thing is that you can look at past history to see how it went when the Prophets of old put their Faith in God. Let's read it together.

Hebrews 11:1-40 ESV

By Faith

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. 11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14 For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son, 18 of whom it was said, “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 19 He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back. 20 By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau. 21 By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff. 22 By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they were not afraid of the king's edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and sprinkled the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn might not touch them.

29 By faith the people crossed the Red Sea as on dry land, but the Egyptians, when they attempted to do the same, were drowned. 30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days. 31 By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. 36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two,[a] they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— 38 of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnr3ZITKZSk

[Verse 1]
By faith we see the hand of God
In the light of creation's grand design
In the lives of those who prove His faithfulness
Who walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 2]
By faith our fathers roamed the earth
With the power of His promise in their hearts
Of a holy city built by God's own hand
A place where peace and justice reign

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul's reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We'll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 3]
By faith the prophets saw a day
When the longed-for Messiah would appear
With the power to break the chains of sin and death
And rise triumphant from the grave

[Verse 4]
By faith the church was called to go
In the power of the Spirit to the lost
To deliver captives and to preach good news
In every corner of the earth
You might also like
Do I Make You Proud?
Taylor Hicks
Create In Me A Clean Heart
Acappella
Thank You Lord (Live)
Paul Baloche
[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 5]
By faith this mountain shall be moved
And the power of the gospel shall prevail
For we know in Christ all things are possible
For all who call upon His name

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
Ohh, we will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight


Tl;dr ...Trust the bible because other people (prophets) trusted the bible....nothing more than appeal to authority.

I don't think you understood the question or intentionally misunderstood it. It was about how do you authenticate which of the 1000's of gods are real (if any)?
If for example you have 1000 gods to choose from, each one asks you to have faith and trust them.

Here are your options:

A. Trust/have faith in all gods equaly?
B. Trust some but not others (need to explain by which other method you made your decision)
C. Don't have faith in any of them until proven otherwise.

Which option did you choose?
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