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Mar 23 2026 01:38pm

so if expressing mutations is a bad idea then there is no monkey turning into a man. it only works in the woowoo imagination with copious amounts of deep time.


No monkey ever “turned” into a human. Evolution happens very slowly over millions of years through very small changes. Even when you look at human bodies over the last 1,000 years, you can see gradual changes.

if someone is born lets say a mutation cause his arm to be disfigured.


I think you have a very Hollywood-like imagination of what a mutation is. In reality, mutations are usually small and unnoticeable changes in DNA, not dramatic transformations. The human genome contains about 3 × 10⁹ base pairs, and every time DNA is copied, small errors can occur.
In fact, each person is born with dozens of new mutations that were not present in their parents. Most of these changes have no effect at all, because they occur in non-coding regions or do not significantly alter how genes function.
This means that mutations are not rare, extraordinary events, they are a normal and constant part of biology. Every human carries mutations compared to their parents, and over many generations, these small changes can accumulate and contribute to evolution.

with fruit flies they tried to induce 'evolution by accelerating the mutation rate. they ended up with fruit flies, dead fruit flies, and defective fruit flies


Some microorganisms use error-prone polymerases, which enable them to adapt rapidly to changing environments. For instance, mutations can arise that allow them to survive antibiotic exposure. More complex organisms do not benefit from this mechanism because they have much longer reproduction cycles.
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You know homo sapiens were also cannibals, right?


dont talk to me please, ty
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dont talk to me please, ty


Sorry I forgot you were the guy who hates logic, it's hard to keep track of all you oddballs in this forum.
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No monkey ever “turned” into a human. Evolution happens very slowly over millions of years through very small changes. Even when you look at human bodies over the last 1,000 years, you can see gradual changes.



I think you have a very Hollywood-like imagination of what a mutation is. In reality, mutations are usually small and unnoticeable changes in DNA, not dramatic transformations. The human genome contains about 3 × 10⁹ base pairs, and every time DNA is copied, small errors can occur.
In fact, each person is born with dozens of new mutations that were not present in their parents. Most of these changes have no effect at all, because they occur in non-coding regions or do not significantly alter how genes function.
This means that mutations are not rare, extraordinary events, they are a normal and constant part of biology. Every human carries mutations compared to their parents, and over many generations, these small changes can accumulate and contribute to evolution.



Some microorganisms use error-prone polymerases, which enable them to adapt rapidly to changing environments. For instance, mutations can arise that allow them to survive antibiotic exposure. More complex organisms do not benefit from this mechanism because they have much longer reproduction cycles.


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No monkey ever “turned” into a human.

why 'atheists think its clever to say stuff like this? just a fyi it makes you look disingenuous.
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Evolution happens very slowly over millions of years through very small changes.

'atheists have fantastic imaginations
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Even when you look at human bodies over the last 1,000 years, you can see gradual changes.

just people, we have fantastic variations in modern humans.

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I think you have a very Hollywood-like imagination of what a mutation is. In reality, mutations are usually small and unnoticeable changes in DNA, not dramatic transformations. The human genome contains about 3 × 10⁹ base pairs, and every time DNA is copied, small errors can occur.
In fact, each person is born with dozens of new mutations that were not present in their parents. Most of these changes have no effect at all, because they occur in non-coding regions or do not significantly alter how genes function.
This means that mutations are not rare, extraordinary events, they are a normal and constant part of biology. Every human carries mutations compared to their parents, and over many generations, these small changes can accumulate and contribute to evolution.

should be reading this
i agree with this except the last sentence
you believe mutations are some kind of grand building up process
i believe its a slow extinction process. dont know how anyone can believe a accidental process is going to write complex information. maybe you could do some research on the y chromosomes and what they say about it and the accumulations of mutations

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Some microorganisms use error-prone polymerases, which enable them to adapt rapidly to changing environments. For instance, mutations can arise that allow them to survive antibiotic exposure. More complex organisms do not benefit from this mechanism because they have much longer reproduction cycles.

fruit flies were used because they have a real fast reproductive process. they were mutated i dont know how many generations. couldnt get anything to change. well nothing positive anyway.

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why 'atheists think its clever to say stuff like this? just a fyi it makes you look disingenuous.

'atheists have fantastic imaginations

just people, we have fantastic variations in modern humans.


^belthasar should be reading this
i agree with this except the last sentence
you believe mutations are some kind of grand building up process
i believe its a slow extinction process. dont know how anyone can believe a accidental process is going to write complex information. maybe you could do some research on the y chromosomes and what they say about it and the accumulations of mutations


fruit flies were used because they have a real fast reproductive process. they were mutated i dont know how many generations. couldnt get anything to change. well nothing positive anyway.


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Mar 23 2026 06:08pm
I dont know about u guys but if all available food ran out and suddenly humans could process grass that would seem like an advantage to our survival
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information already in the genetic code. survival of the fittest, nobody argues this.

its explaining the arrival of the fittest that we argue.
i believe life (living systems) is the product of a higher intelligence (God)
'atheists believe life (living systems) are the product of some kind of naturalistic accidental means that no one can explain because it happened millions of years ago. being that its un-observable, un-testable, un-repeatable makes this belief un-scientific, would be simpler and more correct to just call it magic...................'atheists the magic woowoo people

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information already in the genetic code. survival of the fittest, nobody argues this.

its explaining the arrival of the fittest that we argue.
i believe life (living systems) is the product of a higher intelligence (God)
'atheists believe life (living systems) are the product of some kind of naturalistic accidental means that no one can explain because it happened millions of years ago. being that its un-observable, un-testable, un-repeatable makes this belief un-scientific, would be simpler and more correct to just call it magic...................'atheists the magic woowoo people


You just said there were no mutations, then when I showed you evidence of mutations you move the goalpost. Just so u know.
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Mar 23 2026 07:18pm
information already in the genetic code. survival of the fittest, nobody argues this.

its explaining the arrival of the fittest that we argue.
i believe life (living systems) is the product of a higher intelligence (God)
'atheists believe life (living systems) are the product of some kind of naturalistic accidental means that no one can explain because it happened millions of years ago. being that its un-observable, un-testable, un-repeatable makes this belief un-scientific, would be simpler and more correct to just call it magic...................'atheists the magic woowoo people


It is entirely possible that the truth is some blend of the two (creationism and evolution as general concepts). Many scientists, even those who are at the top of their respective fields believe in some form of spirituality and the concept of God.



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It is entirely possible that the truth is some blend of the two (creationism and evolution as general concepts). Many scientists, even those who are at the top of their respective fields believe in some form of spirituality and the concept of God.

https://i.imgur.com/KVyrs66.png


i assert thats because 'evolution (macro) and abiogenesis. theories have failed. the biology of living systems (life) is to complex and interdependent to be from some kind of accidental process and the ones that dont consider the idea of God weasel out of it and say the aliens did it.
it has become rare to find some one still defend darwin which only proves dinosaurs didnt die out :)

there are tricks played with the word 'evolution. thats why i mark it with a apostrophe. mostly its the difference between micro and macro evolution. the 'atheist will tell you they are both the same. which they are not.

like your meme :) some make it out of the darkness of 'atheism

here is another good one
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For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been there for centuries.
Jastrow, Robert


You just said there were no mutations, then when I showed you evidence of mutations you move the goalpost. Just so u know.


you mean when i said genetic load/ genetic entropy/ mutations are the same thing. what i was really saying is no such thing as mutations?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 23 2026 08:02pm
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