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Doubting Thomas touches the incorporeal body of the resurrected god in your belief system. He is the only person who was permitted such an honor, specifically because of his refusal to believe without sufficient proof. If one of the apostles can hold this stance, why are you judging others for also holding it?


Not once have I judged an individual here in this thread. I have simply responded with truth to their arguments. The only one who has given judgment to others here has been addone. This is verifiable if you would like to browse through 146 threads of Facebook memes, mockery, and trolling.

Thomas was not the only person to touch God during his walk on the Earth teaching his word and Thomas expressed the same exact expression being said today by unbelievers. Knowing you were going to make this argument I posted Jesus's response and I will repost it again. Clearly you missed it.

"Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

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Thomas was not the only person to touch God during his walk on the Earth teaching his word and Thomas expressed the same exact expression being said today by unbelievers. Knowing you were going to make this argument I posted Jesus's response and I will repost it again. Clearly you missed it.

"Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".


Was he a resurrected incorporeal body when he was walking on Earth teaching his word? Did he appear after his resurrection to anyone else and allow them to touch his incorporeal body? If not, what is the reason given as per scripture for this exchange with Thomas?
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Was he a resurrected incorporeal body when he was walking on Earth teaching his word? Did he appear after his resurrection to anyone else and allow them to touch his incorporeal body? If not, what is the reason given as per scripture for this exchange with Thomas?


The answer is literally in this message.

"Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

A message that applies to future generations after his ressurection. Literally making Thomas an example of belief by faith, not by flesh, knowing our lord will be in heaven.

It was not his promise to remain in the flesh and talk to each human individually to perform these "magic tricks" as you call it to ensure they see God by a physical means, but by the gift of the holy spirit.

You can choose to be angry with God for giving you this option, but he gave you your life, your soul, today, in this timeline, for a very specific reason. The creator of all things chose you and what a beautiful and most amazing gift to be given and you get to freely choose to live the life he created you to live.

"Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’" — John 20:21

We as a follower of Christ have a very direct and clear instruction to carry on what he chose to do. Continuing to teach of the truth of Jesus and what he did and plans to do. God's promises have been and will continue to be true.
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The answer is literally in this message.

"Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed".

A message that applies to future generations after his ressurection. Literally making Thomas an example of belief by faith, not by flesh, knowing our lord will be in heaven.

It was not his promise to remain in the flesh and talk to each human individually to perform these "magic tricks" as you call it to ensure they see God by a physical means, but by the gift of the holy spirit.

You can choose to be angry with God for giving you this option, but he gave you your life, your soul, today, in this timeline, for a very specific reason. The creator of all things chose you and what a beautiful and most amazing gift to be given and you get to freely choose to live the life he created you to live.

"Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’" — John 20:21

We as a follower of Christ have a very direct and clear instruction to carry on what he chose to do. Continuing to teach of the truth of Jesus and what he did and plans to do. God's promises have been and will continue to be true.


I am not angry with any Gods, I am talking to you and I don't think you're presuming to speak for your God. My frustration is with the unwillingness to engage honestly with your own beliefs. I have no choice in this matter any more than you have a choice whether or not you believe that Amaterasu is real. I have my own beliefs, and they are much older and more resonant with my spirit than your mistranslations of mistranslations.

I don't want to put words in your mouth. What is this message you refer to?

In that quote I do not see any justification as to why he has appeared to Thomas or whether people who believe blindly are elevated above those who have experienced justifications for their faith.

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

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If it helps you do what you need to do. But I am not going to even attempt to read what looks like 3rd grader scribbles.

Oh what I copy pasted from the internet was written long before AI became what it is today.

The second article was written by me, every single word. It was based off a sermon. So before you babble on about AI, just don't. Everything written was more than a decade ago and yet it still holds up to this very day.

Have you ever wondered How a Good God could allow suffering? I wrote that up as well. Here, give it a read would you?

All throughout The Bible people have asked God why they need to suffer or how much longer they need to suffer.

Psalm 6:3 NIV
My soul is in anguish. How long, O LORD, how long?


Job 2:13 NIV
Then they sat on the ground with him for seven days and seven nights. No one said a word to him, because they saw how great his suffering was.

Now most people, if not all, should know the story with Job. Job's friends did the best thing they could have by not saying a single word to him. Just when you thought that Job couldn't suffer any more than he already had, his friends start ripping into him.

Some people write down songs about their suffering and anguish. One well known song is titled "Everybody Hurts" by R.E.M. You are not alone in suffering because everybody suffers at one point or another. We each have our own individual story about how we have suffered.
Brooke Faser C.S. Lewis song
"If I find in myself desires nothing in this world can satisfy,
I can only conclude that I was not made for here"

Now we like to ask why because that is our natural reaction, is to ask why. Now why is it that we feel that it's wrong?

Why is it that we feel that suffering is wrong? Everyone has that spark inside them that says "Hang on, someone should be in charge around here." That, of course is referring to God. Why do we assume that this world should be perfect?

To answer this we need to go back to the Fall once again.
Genesis 3:17 NIV
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.

God cursed the man, the woman and the ground. The story in a nutshell goes like this. God creates the perfect world and puts man in charge of it to look after it. With the fall, God curses the man and woman but if he doesn't curse the ground then the ground would rule over man so he also curses the ground so man can still rule over the ground, if that makes sense.

The mistake that Adam made is the same mistake that everybody from then on has made, not trusting God and wanting to live in a world without God as a part of their life. We have allasked for a world without God. We see the result of that in the suffering. Our time here on Earth when we want to live in a world without God, is just a taste in eternity without God. Now you do not want that full scale in Eternity because that would be Hell.

Remember when God made the world he saw that it was very good as it says in Genesis.
Genesis 1:31 NIV
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

The issue with suffering has been dealt with anyway as you will see.
Romans 8:18 NIV
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
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Now what is our solution to suffering? Do we want to wish it all away in a heartbeat? Do we want this to happen...?

John 11:35:43
Jesus wept. So the Jews were saying, “See how He loved him!” But some of them said, “Could not this man, who opened the eyes of the blind man, [a]have kept this man also from dying?”

So Jesus, again being deeply moved within, *came to the tomb. Now it was a cave, and a stone was lying against it. Jesus *said, “Remove the stone.” Martha, the sister of the deceased, *said to Him, “Lord, by this time there will be a stench, for he has been dead four days.” Jesus *said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?” So they removed the stone. Then Jesus raised His eyes, and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. I knew that You always hear Me; but because of the [c]people standing around I said it, so that they may believe that You sent Me.” When He had said these things, He cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth.”

First and foremost Jesus wept. That is very significant because it shows that Jesus was not an unmoveable person. It also showed that he cares about our suffering. He is going to do something about it. Now at the end of that story Jesus calls out "Lazarus, come forth!" Lazarus is resurrected. So that problem of suffering is solved right? That is half true. Lazarus did come out alive but he would die once again. He would have to die again as he certainly isn't here today. In the end, death will take us all one day. Each of us carries death within oneself. The problem is much deeper than we imagine. If we realize that the problem is much larger than what we see, then that means that the solution to our problem is also much deeper than we can imagine.

There is a temporary solution and there is an eternal solution. Jesus came down to be a part of suffering and saw it all. He takes all our suffering and nails it to the cross. It MUST happen in Jesus' words.

Luke 9:22 NIV
And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."

Luke 22:44 NIV
And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.
Jesus was in anguish because he knew that shortly he was going to be captured by the Romans. He suffered anguish and he prayed earnestly to God.

1 Peter 3:18 NIV
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Jesus not only suffered but he suffered more than anybody ever has. He had to reach so far down, more than anybody else, to grab all the suffering that everybody has and will ever endure and nail it to the cross.

In the end though, the suffering will stop. We will see a new world.
Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.

We have received our eternal solution to suffering. As for what has happened recently, well let's list a few things that has happened which has caused suffering.

1945 WWII, the atomic bomb dropping on Hiroshima.
1972 Napalm Girl (easy google image if you want to see it)
2001 Terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre.
2011 Floods in Australia
2012 Connecticut School Shooting

Now how do we explain all of those and answer to all of them? If we knew then we'd be God. That was the problem to begin with, us wanting to be God. We don't know so therefore we aren't God. What God did, he treated our suffering seriously by entering it here on Earth and dealt with it once and for all.
The permanent solution, the eternal solution is taken care of. That is the one that matters. As for the here and now, we don't know what the plan is for us but God has a plan, that you can be sure of.


Unlike you I don't really care where it comes from as long as its a valid. I am just pointing out the irony which clearly went right over your head.
You still haven't summarized your long winded walls of text. Which means you aren't here to communicate truthfully but to be difficult and annoying. I am willing to tolerate people but up to a point. If you aren't here to have a healthy respectable discussion like a developed adult. Then you are wasting your time.
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Mar 23 2026 01:04pm
I am not angry with any Gods, I am talking to you and I don't think you're presuming to speak for your God. My frustration is with the unwillingness to engage honestly with your own beliefs. I have no choice in this matter any more than you have a choice whether or not you believe that Amaterasu is real. I have my own beliefs, and they are much older and more resonant with my spirit than your mistranslations of mistranslations.

I don't want to put words in your mouth. What is this message you refer to?

In that quote I do not see any justification as to why he has appeared to Thomas or whether people who believe blindly are elevated above those who have experienced justifications for their faith.

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.


Where am I unwilling to engage? The only thing in this thread I haven't done for addone is provide him a photo of Jesus.

What part of scripture am I mistranslating?

God says have faith in him and that has been my counter to addone.

You either came in really late to approach me or you are genuinely talking to the wrong individual. Everything you are claiming over me is not accurate for what has taken place in this topic.
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Where am I unwilling to engage? The only thing in this thread I haven't done for addone is provide him a photo of Jesus.

What part of scripture am I mistranslating?

God says have faith in him and that has been my counter to addone.

You either came in really late to approach me or you are genuinely talking to the wrong individual. Everything you are claiming over me is not accurate for what has taken place in this topic.


why does Thomas recieve the fruit of being the only human to ever touch the resurrected messiah. thats kinda the crux of the argument im making. sorry if this was not clear. the verse i just referred you to says that you cannot draw near to God without faith. Thomas lacks faith, yet is the only one who draws near to God once he has proven his status.

From my perspective it seems like you believe the verse is saying that he is elevating people who have blind faith? As in this is the way he wants you to behave?

When he says "blessed are the poor in spirit" do you think he's also instructing you to suffer needlessly so that you might earn some favor? Many Christians have interpreted a similar message. Im sure you would say that encouraging self-flaggelation is not what was intended by the verse.

“A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."

If faith was required to bear good fruit, Thomas would not be able to bear good fruit.
If Thomas bears good fruit without faith, Faith is not required to bear good fruit.

Now this contradicts a whole bunch of other beliefs in your books but Im just trying to show you that based on your own story there is no need for you to blindly believe in something without proof. otherwise your justification is the same as someone who believe truly that they are possessed by alien version of the neighbour from home improvement. just because you believe something doesnt make it real, and if something is real your belief or disbelief wont impact whether others share the experience of the thing
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Where am I unwilling to engage? The only thing in this thread I haven't done for addone is provide him a photo of Jesus.

What part of scripture am I mistranslating?

God says have faith in him and that has been my counter to addone.

You either came in really late to approach me or you are genuinely talking to the wrong individual. Everything you are claiming over me is not accurate for what has taken place in this topic.


Lets entertain your methodology of accepting magical/supernatural/god etc

Faith = belief in something without proof or logic complete trust. Faith is another word for "just trust me bro"

Faith doesn't provide proof it just asks you to accept something to be true but that isnt enough.
For example there are 1000's of gods as you know and all of them ask you to have faith.

If you apply faith alone you would end up believing in every one of them yet its a contradictory stance. Clearly faith isn't the determining factor. What other method and criteria are you using to filter out which gods are real and which aren't?
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why does Thomas recieve the fruit of being the only human to ever touch the resurrected messiah. thats kinda the crux of the argument im making. sorry if this was not clear. the verse i just referred you to says that you cannot draw near to God without faith. Thomas lacks faith, yet is the only one who draws near to God once he has proven his status.

From my perspective it seems like you believe the verse is saying that he is elevating people who have blind faith? As in this is the way he wants you to behave?

When he says "blessed are the poor in spirit" do you think he's also instructing you to suffer needlessly so that you might earn some favor? Many Christians have interpreted a similar message. Im sure you would say that encouraging self-flaggelation is not what was intended by the verse.

“A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."

If faith was required to bear good fruit, Thomas would not be able to bear good fruit.
If Thomas bears good fruit without faith, Faith is not required to bear good fruit.

Now this contradicts a whole bunch of other beliefs in your books but Im just trying to show you that based on your own story there is no need for you to blindly believe in something without proof. otherwise your justification is the same as someone who believe truly that they are possessed by alien version of the neighbour from home improvement. just because you believe something doesnt make it real, and if something is real your belief or disbelief wont impact whether others share the experience of the thing


You should spend time in prayer on why Jesus chose to do this with Thomas. I again am focused on what Jesus said. "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed". addone continues to position himself in a way Thomas did, but Jesus has already spoken truth on this way of living.

Jesus is shifting the idea of belief away from empirical proof toward trust. Defining a new kind of faith for future generations. This isn't incorrect. Thomas isn’t condemned. Jesus meets him where he is and gives him the evidence he asked for. Why Thomas? I can't answer that. I do believe this was a deliberate and representative moment for future generations. We live in a time that is post resurrection and not prior. So asking for physical evidence is a very natural human desire in a world filled with a modern mindset, but not realistic given the time we live in and pulls away from what Jesus taught and did for everyone. What you are also leaving out of the equation is Jesus taught and demonstrated signs and evidence to others too. The Gospels are full of miracles, appearances, and teachings meant to convince people.

I'll continue looking at the whole picture rather than focusing on one particular moment in history.
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I'll continue looking at the whole picture rather than focusing on one particular moment in history.


This is what I do, just one level up from you. Rather than looking at one story, I look at all of them. My religion encourage me to look for proof and disproof everywhere I can because it has confidence in its methodology being repeatable. When people become entrenched in their beliefs it lead to bad ideas being propagated. When you have a belief you should not take ownership over it, or else you will attach it to your own ego. Even by your own belief system, if you believe in Jesus it is because God set that path before you and you merely took the steps. He did the same for the atheists. Or doubters :thumbsup:
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