Quote (Gilgameshed @ Mar 22 2026 11:40am)

The cone shaped protruding crown, the recessed chin, the nose being higher up, looking like it is more attached to the top part of the skull rather than the face. You can even just compare his skull with the person next to him. Completely different shape and structure.

East Asians have Denisovan DNA. Somewhat related to Neanderthal but unique.

The Epstein gene comment was mostly a joke, but as with all jokes, there is a shred of truth to it.

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Quote (Bazi @ Mar 22 2026 09:02am)

The first sentence was half correct. Europe are subordinates, not partners. In this new trade paradigm. At this time our interests are actually more in lined with Russia than Europe, and the ally maps will reflect this soon enough. Israel is not a subordinate, they don’t do what we ask lol. It is the opposite, and has been regardless of who the executive has been.

Your characterization of the Palestinian state is incomplete and devoid of empathy, you somehow ignore the genocidal nature of the Israeli populace and state. I could link 20 videos of Israeli civilians on social media and news casters saying death to all of Gaza in effortless time. Maybe you would condemn shooting children in their balls, but the Israeli population does not. They just acquitted a few guys who gang raped a prisoner on camera with a knife. If you don’t have proper understanding on Gaza then there is really no point to have conversations about Iran because what is happening in Gaza is right in front of your face, not to mention continued illegal settlement expansion in Hamas free West Bank.

If you think Israel has been a partner for peace and a 2 state solution in our adult lifetimes, I don’t even have words for this kind of delusion. Netanyahu and co. Have been pursuing a greater Israel for a LONG time. Starts with instability in neighboring areas and then swallowing up the lands in the name of safety expansion. This is not conspiracy, their intentions are pubic

America leading prosperity of the world by invading Iraq? By overthrowing the prior Iranian regime, which has lead to this clusterfuck of Iran to begin with? By setting off anarchy in Afghanistan, Syria et al? Yeah, tell that to Europe. All of this instability that is created has repercussions that are not felt immediately. Refugee crisis after refugee crisis on uneducated populations have consequences for the world. But, not the US because we do have an ocean in between. Europe has been getting unequivocally fucked by American actions for awhile and they continue to take it. Their inflation reads are outpacing ours. Their GDP reads are declining quicker than ours. Something will give. The biggest unknown is how long will they take it and what can/will they do eventually do about it. They have some options but it’s energy exporters vs energy importers

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Quote (belthasar @ Mar 22 2026 08:26am)

I see a fairly vertical brow there. Are you just looking at the skull protruding from the back? Cause that's what everyone's does. Go look in the mirror at your own. The skull connects to the top of your neck, which is a thinner part of the body.

You've got some extremely whacky beliefs about the jews that I dont think I even want to get into disproving, but i will just say that I find it interesting you identify a genetic marker associated with east Asians and Europeans then called it the epstein gene. :zzz:

Quote (belthasar @ Mar 22 2026 06:44am)

Race is a real thing. You are conflating the racialization of humans and the racialization of finches. These are two separate concepts, but your understanding of both doesnt seem to line up with what I've seen. In darwinian sense, im not disputing a chinese person and a turkish person are both members of the human race. If youre using race in that sense you would be looking at another member of the homo family like neanderthals. That kind of racial competition doesnt exist among humans because we already beat out our competitors.

That doesnt mean a Turkish and Chinese person inherited the same genetic material from their parents. You dont need Darwin to understand why this is the case.

Also, to be clear, your view is the one which inherently establishes a genetic purity by which to judge other races. You are saying everything was created in a pure state and degraded over time. This literally contradicts the load idea you referred to earlier, because that is measuring how well a mutation is suited to its environment with regard to reproductive rates. If there isnt a sufficient load to cause the existing race to die out, then there is no real change amongst generations.

If lots of seeds bird no need eat worm. If seeds go away only birds who try eat worm survive. Now new race of bird who eat worm, but maybe on another island seed bird still has enough seed. The genetic load cause mutation to become adopted. Now sea levels fall, both bird reunite, no conflict cuz bird eat worm or seed but not both. Two different birds now. But they can mate. Now third bird eat both seed and worm, can outcompete for resources and make more baby faster. Now you have racial competition and natural selection.

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, to be clear, your view is the one which inherently establishes a genetic purity by which to judge other races

Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 22 2026 04:41pm)

you have a really bad habit with straw manning people. nobody is saying "race" doesnt exist.

finch beaks being different is the result of the expression of the genetic information already available. genetic code responding to the surrounding environment.

skin color. nothing new is made. its just more or less of something already that exists

how about junk genes. you still believe most or some of the genetic material is usless junk that has no purpose aka evolutionary leftovers?

Also you need to stop with this kind of chit. its sleezy race baiting hosechit and why i cant stand the left.

Quote (belthasar @ Mar 22 2026 06:49pm)

There is no evidence for any of the things youre claiming, as Ive repeatedly noted, your next reply should be a clear cut example of cellular degradation over generations of a species.

BTW if this theory was true then adam and eve were proto-homonids. Humanity emerged from these cells degrading, according to you. These monkeys also existed in a time well before any actually hominids appear, before land-based life appears, before plantlife appears in the ocean. You are relying on a fairy tale as your guidestone and working backwards from there. It doesn't line up with the reality we share. Skin color is not "nothing changes", in the same way that a very tall person and someone with dwarfism are both humans but have very different genetic materials. Thats not just the way they express, its also the actual materials they are working with. You inherit DNA from both parents, there is no loss of quality of these genetic materials.

The "new things created" you are looking for are called mutations. If you are going to have a convo like this in the future and you actually want to convince people, you should ensure whatever source you cite mentions mutation in the future. We can induce mutations, we know how the processes work and can even to a degree reproduce specific genetic mutations. Its not junk genes activating, or some pre-existing genetic materials. These are changes to existing materials and structures.

Again, can you provide any evidence of this genetic entropy idea that doesnt come from a theologist and instead comes from someone using the scienitific method?

Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 22 2026 10:21pm)

i shouldnt have to find you anything on this you should already know it. mutations (copying errors) is why inbreeding is a bad idea.

Quote (Norlander @ Mar 22 2026 10:23pm)

And what happens when finches grow a beak to accumulate gold?

Quote (belthasar @ Mar 22 2026 08:18pm)