Quote (Shadowoffury @ Mar 21 2026 03:55pm)

Yes, I've said that. Israel agreed to the UN partition plan while Palestinian representatives refused to even sit in the same room as any jews during negotiations, refused any deal except the total expulsion of all jews, and then gathered their allies and attacked the moment England and the UN left. Then they attacked at every opportunity for 80 years while Israel repeatedly negotiated for ceasefires after winning.

We can shift to this conversation if you'd like but I'd rather solve the first one.

If you accept that they had/have a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, that is admitting that they were close to acquiring nuclear weapons. There's no possible way to argue that this is not the case, but go on and try if you'd like.

As I said, enrichment is the only major barrier to creating nuclear weapons.

If you disagree with these things tell me why instead of repeating "bad faith" and implying that I must agree with everything the trump admin says. You are talking to me, not them. Their public positions are not relevant to the conversation unless YOU believe them and want to try to use them as arguments from authority.

Quote (Bazi @ 21 Mar 2026 23:10)

The one shifting is you dude. You started this conversation by alleging I called the former Iranian leader a moderate (false). He was objectively someone who called for the ban of nuclear weapons production - and up to his death, he was true to that word. For some reason you are having a difficult time explicitly stating that replacing him with a known worse radical , who HAS NOT called for such a ban, is a bad thing. This discredits your credibility by not being able to acknowledge something so basic

This was the first conversation that you shifted from

Regarding nuclear: It’s not about believing this administration, it’s about being as objective as you can be. The notion should be true that our non partisan intelligence committees (even if the heads of these committees are hacks) funded by hundreds of billions of dollars is going to be superior to google searches. Can build is different than is building.

You are saying enrichment is the only barrier to creating nuclear weapons. Yet they have been enriching for decades and they still don’t have nuclear weapons.

Quote (Many_Names @ Mar 21 2026 04:27pm)

450 kg of uranium says otherwise

Quote (Many_Names @ Mar 21 2026 02:07pm)

Okay you won!

Quote (Bazi @ Mar 21 2026 05:10pm)

The one shifting is you dude. You started this conversation by alleging I called the former Iranian leader a moderate (false). He was objectively someone who called for the ban of nuclear weapons production - and up to his death, he was true to that word. For some reason you are having a difficult time explicitly stating that replacing him with a known worse radical , who HAS NOT called for such a ban, is a bad thing. This discredits your credibility by not being able to acknowledge something so basic

This was the first conversation that you shifted from

Regarding nuclear: It’s not about believing this administration, it’s about being as objective as you can be. The notion should be true that our non partisan intelligence committees (even if the heads of these committees are hacks) funded by hundreds of billions of dollars is going to be superior to google searches. Can build is different than is building.

You are saying enrichment is the only barrier to creating nuclear weapons. Yet they have been enriching for decades and they still don’t have nuclear weapons.

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Mar 21 2026 04:46pm)

Well, no. 2016-2021 they were not enriching past 3.67%. Before that they had bad centrifuge technology and it took them forever to enrich to 20%(most[possibly all] of the 20% they had for their reactors pre-conversion was bought, not domestically enriched). This changed in the intervening time, they built advanced centrifuges. These were buried, damaged and hopefully destroyed but there is no way to confirm that.

If they're ALL destroyed beyond the possibility of repair, this sets them back, but not as far as you may think because, as I've said 60% HEU is VERY close to weapons grade.

Enrichment is the only major barrier. If you have reason to believe otherwise than tell me the reason.

As for Khomeini calling for a ban of nuclear weapons while enriching to 60%... That's meaningless posturing, using this as evidence that he didn't have nuclear ambitions is just silly. There's no other reason for him to enrich past 3.67%.

Quote (Bazi @ Mar 21 2026 05:02pm)

What is the barrier to not produce nuclear weapons beyond the topic of enrichment?

To avoid being destroyed obviously lol

It isn’t meaningless posturing. Russia could annihilate Ukraine. India could annihilate Pakistan and possibly vice versa with mutually assured destruction. There are many nations that can do something. Can do and doing are two very different things.

Just because someone can do something, is not a worthwhile reason for American $$$ and lives to be wasted. Above all, I value human life.

I’m out tho. If you think Israel has been playing for a two state solution in the last 2 decades, you are lost.

Quote (Gilgameshed @ Mar 21 2026 12:42pm)

we're gonna see some serious shit. Rabbis all over Israel are claiming that the Jewish Messiah will be announced this month. We can already see the Zionists making moves to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound which is Islam's third-holiest site in Jerusalem, built over the site of the ancient Jewish First and Second Temples, known as the Temple Mount. According to Jewish Eschatology, this temple must be destroyed and will be where the Third Temple is to be rebuilt under the watch of their Messiah. Destruction of this Mosque will cause much of the Muslim world to declare holy war or Jihad.
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According to Judaic Eschatology, the Jewish diaspora will return to Israel before the final battle and fight a losing war against "a gathering of global nations", only to be saved by their "Conqueror Messiah" who keeps them from total destruction while the world around them burns.
According to Christian and Islamist Eschatology, this Messiah figure is the antichrist (dajjal) who will perform false miracles and wonders. In both religions, Jesus (Isa) returns with an army of angels and slaughters the antichrist and his legions while liberating humanity.
According to Masonic lore, a conflict will be engineered between these three religions to bring about a time of great pain and strife. After much death and destruction, and all sides wear themselves thin, a new order is to present itself and rule all with the doctrine of light. This is also known as Luciferianism. The New Enlightenment.
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I just want to know... why is this being engineered to happen now? Why is Israel so confident it can take on the world, and win. How is their Messiah supposed to help them. What power would this antichrist have over the armies of the world? It seems suicidal unless they know something we don't.
But then you read Christian and Islamic Eschatological lore, and you realize they are supposed to lose... and the Christians and Islamists are in many cases just as sure that their Messiah will come and destroy the false one...
And then finally the Masonic game plan published by Albert Pike... all the way back in 1871, to cause a global war between the Abrahamic religions and then insert themselves as saviors, establishing both a new government and theological religious system at the same time.

All 3 of these sound absolutely insane. But at this point, I have a hard time not seeing what is happening as the beginning of this process.


Recommended viewing:

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Quote (belthasar @ Mar 21 2026 03:44pm)

I would be interested in continuing this line of conversation as it actually pertains to my field. Sadly many of the conversations surrounding this will inevitably revert back to subjective readings of history and scripture. However I will say, whenever anyone is telling you that a prophet is coming that will bring the end times, be extremely leery of anything else they tell you. People have been saying similar things for as long as we have recorded histories. None of them have been right, yet the end is always near.

Quote (belthasar @ Mar 21 2026 05:44pm)

I would be interested in continuing this line of conversation as it actually pertains to my field. Sadly many of the conversations surrounding this will inevitably revert back to subjective readings of history and scripture. However I will say, whenever anyone is telling you that a prophet is coming that will bring the end times, be extremely leery of anything else they tell you. People have been saying similar things for as long as we have recorded histories. None of them have been right, yet the end is always near.