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See, that's the flawed logic they were relying on. "They aren't making nuclear weapons, they're just getting closer and closer so we can't do anything" It was explicitly a threat.

1. Again, this is not a point. No one who attempted to assassinate Hitler worried that someone worse may take over. Khomeini was top tier radical.

2. Not necessarily, obviously. Ho Chi Minh was pretty radical and he did everything he could to prevent war with America.

3. Yes, obviously.


Now answer my question. You implied that Iran was not close to acquiring nuclear weapons in your last post, is that what you truly believe? Do you not think they were stockpiling 60% HEU or you accept this and still somehow insist this is not close to acquiring nuclear weapons?


I’m not sure if bad faith or just not paying attention tbh. 1 and 2 were very simple questions

I do recall you saying awhile back that Israel has been in favor of a two state Palestine solution for the last 80 years, actively ignoring the sabotaging Israel has done for a two state solution for the last 2 decades - if you did not say this I apologize. My
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My answer to your question is what our intelligence division has been saying publicly for the last year (and most recently 2-3 days ago with tulsis hearing which I listened to all of) since our Iran strike last summer. Which is - their enrichment capacity is nothing to be concerned about and they are NOT near nuclear weapon facility. I am not saying they aren’t stockpiling 60% uranium enrichment products. Although I would also argue, given it is practically confirmed Israel is a nuclear power, this is the logical cause and effect

From the American perspective, this remains my view
1. Epstein distraction
2. Beholden to Israel
3. Intention to inflate energy costs

With all being true but the 3rd being the primary driver

Besides, the US executive has already pivoted away from the nuclear line being the reasoning for this recent escalation. You are literally like 3 weeks behind

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>man makes argument
>people willfully misrepresent argument
>people repeat the above, except now out of context
okay

It is literally the point he made: “A morally superior civilization may still fall to a ruthless enemy if it does not have the power to defend itself.”
is that not hard to understand

The Moriori tribe of the Chatham Islands were a strictly moral culture that adopted a code of absolute pacifism. The Maori invaded and killed, tortured, raped and ate them in no particular order, a cannibalistic genocide that wiped out 95% of their population. Because the Moriori not only did not have the military power to fight back, but conscientiously chose to follow the law of Nunuku and would rather be killed than kill. As Netanyahu explained in terms only a moron could misinterpret, Christian martyrdom does not stop a genocide against your people. No amount of turning the other cheek prevents your people from being wiped out by someone trying to kill you all.


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I have literally zero hate for any race or religion. A country’s actions are distinct from this and very important to separate the two, especially on this topic. The problem with rational discourse is when people try to overlap these topics. If you’re American you should really have a disgust for authoritarianism whether they be brown, white , black, Muslim, Jewish, atheist , or child rapers. For some reason that’s hard for many to do
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I have literally zero hate for any race or religion. A country’s actions are distinct from this and very important to separate the two, especially on this topic. The problem with rational discourse is when people try to overlap these topics. If you’re American you should really have a disgust for authoritarianism whether they be brown, white , black, Muslim, Jewish, atheist , or child rapers. For some reason that’s hard for many to do


I am an Israeli Jew.
We live in a democracy not a 3rd world shit hole
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I am an Israeli Jew.
We live in a democracy not a 3rd world shit hole


I agree it isn’t 3rd world, but I am not sure why that is relevant to anything we are saying. 3rd world nations should still get some respect. It is a nuclear power and speed racing its way to becoming a super power. It certainly is not a democracy however

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I’m not sure if bad faith or just not paying attention tbh

I do recall you saying awhile back that Israel has been in favor of a two state solution for the last 80 years, actively ignoring the sabotaging Israel has done for a two state solution for the last 2 decades - if you did not say this I apologize. My
Forum Memory has taken a hit after kids

My answer to your question is what our intelligence division has been saying publicly for the last year (and most recently 2-3 days ago with tulsis hearing which I listened to all of) since our Iran strike last summer. Which is - their enrichment capacity is nothing to be concerned about and they are NOT near nuclear weapon facility. I am not saying they aren’t stockpiling 60% uranium enrichment products. Although I would also argue, given it is practically confirmed Israel is a nuclear power, this is the logical cause and effect

From the American perspective, this remains my view
1. Epstein distraction
2. Beholden to Israel
3. Intention to inflate energy costs

With all being true but the 3rd being the primary driver

Besides, the US executive has already pivoted away from the nuclear line being the reasoning for this recent escalation. You are literally like 3 weeks behind


Yes, I've said that. Israel agreed to the UN partition plan while Palestinian representatives refused to even sit in the same room as any jews during negotiations, refused any deal except the total expulsion of all jews, and then gathered their allies and attacked the moment England and the UN left. Then they attacked at every opportunity for 80 years while Israel repeatedly negotiated for ceasefires after winning.

We can shift to this conversation if you'd like but I'd rather solve the first one.

If you accept that they had/have a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, that is admitting that they were close to acquiring nuclear weapons. There's no possible way to argue that this is not the case, but go on and try if you'd like.

As I said, enrichment is the only major barrier to creating nuclear weapons.

If you disagree with these things tell me why instead of repeating "bad faith" and implying that I must agree with everything the trump admin says. You are talking to me, not them. Their public positions are not relevant to the conversation unless YOU believe them and want to try to use them as arguments from authority.
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I agree it isn’t 3rd world, but I am not sure why that is relevant to anything we are saying. 3rd world nations should still get some respect. It certainly is not a democracy however


They decided to invest all their resources in destroying my country.
We are returning a favor.
Israel is a democracy whether you like it or not.
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Yes, I've said that. Israel agreed to the UN partition plan while Palestinian representatives refused to even sit in the same room as any jews during negotiations, refused any deal except the total expulsion of all jews, and then gathered their allies and attacked the moment England and the UN left. Then they attacked at every opportunity for 80 years while Israel repeatedly negotiated for ceasefires after winning.

We can shift to this conversation if you'd like but I'd rather solve the first one.

If you accept that they had/have a stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, that is admitting that they were close to acquiring nuclear weapons. There's no possible way to argue that this is not the case, but go on and try if you'd like.

As I said, enrichment is the only major barrier to creating nuclear weapons.

If you disagree with these things tell me why instead of repeating "bad faith" and implying that I must agree with everything the trump admin says. You are talking to me, not them. Their public positions are not relevant to the conversation unless YOU believe them and want to try to use them as arguments from authority.


There was no Palestinian representative back then, they were simply Arabs and refused to identify as palestinians (the jews were the Palestinians).
The “Palestinian” narrative started at the late 60s

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I am an Israeli Jew.
We live in a democracy not a 3rd world shit hole


They mold people in our military usa ...So as all Jewish people that grow up in Israel or decide to move there from anywhere in the world. need to serve in your military ..What are they molding you all into? Have you ever thought about that? no other races are given that choice.. you also segregate people in borders ..Have you ever read the definition of a apartheid ?

you cannot call Israel anything but unless you have your own definition of the word apartheid...
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They mold people in our military usa ...So as all Jewish people that grow up in Israel or decide to move there from anywhere in the world. need to serve in your military ..What are they molding you all into? Have you ever thought about that? no other races are given that choice.. you also segregate people in borders ..Have you ever read the definition of a apartheid ?

you cannot call Israel anything but unless you have your own definition of the word apartheid...


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