oh yeah its gonna be only 22% of the hp of a P8 spearwoman then
The main way I saw was to just put "baal" on your search bar and join the baal games as they open/close, its not easy to find one that's cursed and then you have to very rapidly scout frigid/ancients/wsk1, keep your shard in your inventory so you can pop it instantly and spawn the rest as sharded
and then you still have to hope the game maker is a decently high level


I'm pretty confident that if you shard the game and teleport around the area to pre-spawn all the lancers at P8 TZ, they'll lock in their P8 hp when bound even if everyone leaves the game before you finish binding the demon you wanted
Problem with doing this for tals urdars is people will assume you are jacking a p8 tals xp and 1) they might already have someone doing tz tals anyway and 2) other people might come swarming to tals once they see the shards

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 21 2026 07:59am

Yeah rolling a p8 one is gonna be hard in online ladder:( otherwise I have everything else (lvl 38 blood oath, bind demon, and I got a tz one but in p1).

Do you know if there’s an hp difference between binding a unique cursed one vs just a normal tz cursed mob? Or should I try to get a matron one?

This post was edited by mchu on Mar 21 2026 09:02am

Actually I saw in your earlier posts in this thread you said matron den lancers have 4x the hp? So in that case matron lancers would be better than tz lancers?

Edit: Nvmd saw your discussion about ilvl and chance to hit and stuff. Guess I’ll just find p8 games and try for a cursed spearwoman

This post was edited by mchu on Mar 21 2026 09:12am

Afaik nobody has tested that yet, its the one thing we didnt get around to. The easiest would be testing a p1 palace cellar norm urdar normal vs unique on a 1 bind 0 blood oath build, and let it get hit by act 5 hell p1 poison catapult. It should be 1 hit for 100% base hp, 2 hits for 200%



Yeah the chance to hit is actually a significant penalty if you farm TZ, even if your demon has an overwhelming advantage of ar vs defense after conviction. It might only be 87-90% cth if its a level 86 unique, instead of 95% cth for a 99 unique
also I dont know for sure that bound demons get the +3 level from being unique, whether they started as unique or were upgraded from a normal mob. No way to test it easily, someone earlier in this thread proposes looking if their level of conviction aura cancels out an opposing conviction ie from uber mephisto

It should still be 95% cth either way against level 83-88 enemies

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 21 2026 09:40am

They should be unique simply because when you bind a white monster, it becomes unique, whereas if you bind a blue champion, it stays with blue name as champion.

Yes but theres a big question of which HP value is locked in and when its calculated and recalculated. Without a mod to display demon stats its very onerous to test

Thanks! Next time I respec I’ll test this out. Which will be whenever I make an enigma hopefully not too much longer but rune prices skyrocketed this weekend

So if we are going to call it pokemon, the reality is in Pokemon there are a lot of different "best" pokemon depending on the situation.

My situation is im a fire warlock which means i get a ton of benefit from conviction aura. I also have slow casting spells so an aggressive tank helps me not get swarmed while i wait for armageddon. Something that hits hard by itself doesnt hurt esp dealing with fire immune sundered on P8

I find the key is that i get conviction aura, if i an get it on a lvl 96+ monster for the full lvl 12 even better. Curse doesnt help me but it does help the demon and emilio so it does help. Extra fast before capturing seems to be faster than just allowing the bind demon extra fast perk. If i can get one with cursed, fanatacism, that is lightning and cold immune, the game starts to turn into more of a harvest moon than diablo.

if you read the very first post this discussion is about full summoner builds, not for builds like yours

I did read it, but the thread title implies all pokemon-husbandry. Which is situation dependent.