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I have done both self weild and merc weild (200 fcr with echuta, viper, spirit, 2/20 ammy, fcr ring). Self infinity is safer from a not dying and QOL perspective, 200 FCR is much faster overall killing and hunting (keys, TZ bosses, etc).


lol, its 1 frame... 200fcr is noob trap

just making a wrong turn while teleporting will negate any gain for running 200fcr. its just not worth it.

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lol, its 1 frame...


okay. then why don't you just take all ur char and move them all 1 breakpoint back because its just 1 frame
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okay. then why don't you just take all ur char and move them all 1 breakpoint back because its just 1 frame


youre missing the point. getting to 105 requires basically no sacrifice.
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youre missing the point. getting to 105 requires basically no sacrifice.


you're missing the point of you are simply moving the goal post. whenever a point you make is disproven, your argument shifts.

first it was 8 to 7 fps is just 1 fps
now it's "too many sacrifices" to hit 200
and when I point out that you actually gain +4 all skills from the 200 fcr setup, it will be "but infinity does more damage with -55%"
and when I point out that the -55% will only do more on average to a monster that is already lightning immune and less dps than 200 fcr, you will say "but its just the lightnign immune monsters that matter"
and then when I point out that 200 fcr does 2x more dmg to all monsters, and 20% less to lightning immune, and if you static them, then that difference is neglibile, you will say "but self infinity its the meta for a reason"
and then when we go back to step 1

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you're missing the point of you are simply moving the goal post. whenever a point you make is disproven, your argument shifts.

first it was 8 yo 7 fps is just 1 fps
now it's "too many sacrifices" to hit 200
and when I point out that you actually gain +4 all skills from the 200 fcr setup, it will be "but infinity does more damage with -55%"
and when I point out that the -55% will only do more on average to a monster that is already lightning immune and less dps than 200 fcr, you will say "but its just the lightnign immune monsters that matter"
and then when I point out that 200 fcr does 2x more dmg to all monsters, and 20% less to lightning immune, and if you static them, then that difference is neglibile, you will say "but self infinity its the meta for a reason"
and then when we go back to step 1


no sojs, no insight and you think its comparable? haha.

you even acknowledge the self-infinity has better survivability when the thread title specifices hardcore...

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no sojs, no insight and you think its comparable? haha.


1 soj

I already ackowleged that QOL is better with insight (and specifically said 200 FCR is better with respect to speed, but worse with QOL), but I appreciate you providing another bullet in my list of potential shifting goals
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1 soj

I already ackowleged that QOL is better with insight (and specifically said 200 FCR is better with respect to speed, but worse with QOL), but I appreciate you providing another bullet in my list of potential shifting goals


my argument never shifted once, you're delusional.


what sacrifice is being made to run 105fcr? aside from the 1frame on casts...

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Intresting point. I had messed around with a 200fcr once before.

One more question for you all.... playing on hardcore...

how much life and resistance do you all get when you go ES? Is it ok to have all your res in the negative? I try to atleast keep them in the green. I know you should stack PR though. In regard to life pool, I shoot for around 1250 life and dump the rest into energy. But im wondering if that is even worth it? Should I just put everything i to energy?

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I have done both self weild and merc weild (200 fcr with echuta, viper, spirit, 2/20 ammy, fcr ring). Self infinity is safer from a not dying and QOL perspective, 200 FCR is much faster overall killing and hunting (keys, TZ bosses, etc).


no
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my argument never shifted once, you're delusional.


what sacrifice is being made to run 105fcr? aside from the 1frame on casts...


-- the loss of +3 skills, a -5% facet, and 40 mana (20 energy) from not having Echuta
-- the loss of +2 skills, 112 mana, 8 magic absorb from not having spirit

total of -4 all skills (+1 for wearing another soj), mana probably breaks even from soj
and a loss of 1 fps on casts

for a target dummy,
200 FCR dps= 38.9k
self weild dps= 27.1k
These damage calcs take into the -55 penetration from self weild infinity





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