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Mar 17 2026 11:47pm
she didnt offer pascals wager
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ya it was a weasel move.

you still claim scripture couldnt have been preserved. i need something better than that
"personal enrichment" um? they died for believing

working under the assumption they are all false.........




so?


Without people talking about religion it ceases to exist. Thats because you are worshipping a manmade deity.

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Mar 18 2026 12:04am
Without people talking about religion it ceases to exist. Thats because you are worshipping a manmade deity.


but the guy in your vid was talking about it
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Mar 18 2026 01:21am
Lutheran my whole life but idk if I believe the whole Jesus thing and that his “virgin” mom didn’t just cheat and lie to not get stoned to death. I think its weird af catholics worship his mom too :rofl:

there were like 200 ppl performing “miracles” at the same time as Jesus, ppl were ready to call anyone the Mosiah. Just like Muslims picked mohammid around the same period. They just picked and followed anyone that had a cool story and charisma. If your story was lame or had no witnesses you were a false prophet n killed.


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Mar 18 2026 03:01am
You can stop here. Yes, that's my point. According to your eschatology god created from a place beyond time and space, knowing how everything that will ever happen and has ever happened and exactly why each thing happened. He knew all of this before the heavens and the earth were created. If this was the case why would he design this story such that it would require him to set up multiple covenants or to want to strike down all creation only to change his mind upon seeing pious people like Noah or to have to manifest himself in a physical form. The story is inconsistent with itself. Again, if you know the outcome of a decision and you decide to make that choice you are completely culpable for the outcome. If I am in a fight and I posture in such a way that essentially forces my opponent to respond in a particular way, that's my action and my opponents reaction. I punch someone in the head knowing they will block and it opens up a punch to the body. In your framework the person who protects their head is choosing to get hit in the body, rather than just reacting to external stimuli they have no control over.

Also the rest of your stuff pretty heavily contradicts sola scriptura if you are using any mainstream translation, but we can ignore that for now.


What an amazing gift the God of the universe has given you, life. You have a big misunderstanding of who God is and all of his design. Everything you are describing is inaccurate of God's character and simply is not the gospel and what he teaches.

God chose to create a free will world and created us to be one with him and saw that it is good. We were never meant to be a part of this broken world. Satan is the reason for that evil, not God.

Choosing to do something outside of what you are capable of is NOT a contradiction.

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So no actual rebuttal to the contradictions just more shooting messengers.
They have been read in full context you are just refusing to see them as contradictions and start performing mental gymnastics in order to rationalize them. Even if you have to make assumptions like you did with Jacob and Heli.
I asked before do you believe in contradictions in general or contradictions do not exist and everything can be explained depending how you look at it? In which case everything can be rationalize including all the other gods and goddesses.


Funny.

You didn't rebut these:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=682922789#p682922789
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=683132051#p683132051
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=683524870#p683524870

As for Jacob and Heli, you were given the answer. No matter what you say it isn't going to change. How you respond is not my problem. That's up to you to wrestle with. Just like how the Bible talks about pre-destination, deal with it.

My role is to simply explain what is written in Scripture. How you choose to respond and deny everything is not my problem. When you die and you ask the LORD why he didn't reveal himself to you, He will simply point to this moment in time.

I told you about the Parable of the Drowning Man: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=685030314#p685030314

When you asked for a sign the Lord asked "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here I am! Send me."

Isaiah 6:8 ESV

Yet not just I but a lot of us put our hands up just for you. We are the man, we are the camel and we are the boat in that Parable.
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Mar 18 2026 04:28am
but the guy in your vid was talking about it


He was saying how sneaky christians tried to put a poison pill into a bill and it backfired spectacularly. Now they will retreat back into the shadow realm to lick their wounds.
It just proves how Christianity is a fake religion that is only being propped up by dishonest charlatans who try to sneak it past unsuspecting people. Serves them right.
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What an amazing gift the God of the universe has given you, life. You have a big misunderstanding of who God is and all of his design. Everything you are describing is inaccurate of God's character and simply is not the gospel and what he teaches.

God chose to create a free will world and created us to be one with him and saw that it is good. We were never meant to be a part of this broken world. Satan is the reason for that evil, not God.

Choosing to do something outside of what you are capable of is NOT a contradiction.


The Christian god didnt have foreknowledge of all things before that were to happen before creating the heavens and earth?

Isaiah 41:21-23, “Set forth your case, says the LORD; bring your proofs, says the King of Jacob. Let them bring them, and tell us what is to happen. Tell us the former things, what they are, that we may consider them, that we may know their outcome; or declare to us the things to come. Tell us what is to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods.”

Proverbs 16:9: “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.”

Proverbs 20:24: “A man’s steps are from the Lord; how then can man understand his way?”

Proverbs 16:33: “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”

Proverbs 19:21: “Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.”

Jeremiah 10:23: “I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.”

This is what i was talking about earlier. Not only does the bible support the claim that god has foreknowledge of outcomes, it repeatedly asserts that anything that has or will ever happen has been ordained by god before the first creation. I wish Christians would admit its a larp because if you actually believed this stuff you wouldn't need someone else to explain it to you, if this god was real you'd be constantly trying to enact his plans, not playing video games or arguing on the internet. Honestly it seems like christians know less about their own religion than non Christians




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He was saying how sneaky christians tried to put a poison pill into a bill and it backfired spectacularly. Now they will retreat back into the shadow realm to lick their wounds.
It just proves how Christianity is a fake religion that is only being propped up by dishonest charlatans who try to sneak it past unsuspecting people. Serves them right.


you wont stop talking about it either
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The Christian god didnt have foreknowledge of all things before that were to happen before creating the heavens and earth?

Isaiah 41:21-23, “Set forth your case, says the LORD; bring your proofs, says the King of Jacob. Let them bring them, and tell us what is to happen. Tell us the former things, what they are, that we may consider them, that we may know their outcome; or declare to us the things to come. Tell us what is to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods.”

Proverbs 16:9: “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.”

Proverbs 20:24: “A man’s steps are from the Lord; how then can man understand his way?”

Proverbs 16:33: “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”

Proverbs 19:21: “Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.”

Jeremiah 10:23: “I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.”

This is what i was talking about earlier. Not only does the bible support the claim that god has foreknowledge of outcomes, it repeatedly asserts that anything that has or will ever happen has been ordained by god before the first creation. I wish Christians would admit its a larp because if you actually believed this stuff you wouldn't need someone else to explain it to you, if this god was real you'd be constantly trying to enact his plans, not playing video games or arguing on the internet. Honestly it seems like christians know less about their own religion than non Christians


maybe christians are here because its Gods plan? 'arguing with you
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Mar 18 2026 01:39pm
Funny.

You didn't rebut these:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=682922789#p682922789
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=683132051#p683132051
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=683524870#p683524870

As for Jacob and Heli, you were given the answer. No matter what you say it isn't going to change. How you respond is not my problem. That's up to you to wrestle with. Just like how the Bible talks about pre-destination, deal with it.

My role is to simply explain what is written in Scripture. How you choose to respond and deny everything is not my problem. When you die and you ask the LORD why he didn't reveal himself to you, He will simply point to this moment in time.

I told you about the Parable of the Drowning Man: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=685030314#p685030314

When you asked for a sign the Lord asked "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here I am! Send me."

Isaiah 6:8 ESV

Yet not just I but a lot of us put our hands up just for you. We are the man, we are the camel and we are the boat in that Parable.


I have dealt with it, it was an assumption and I wasn't impressed. So now I am not inclined to even address your half baked responses.
If you wondering why I am not bothering to reply is because I have asked you to summarize your walls of text. Then when you can get your point across succinctly I might look at the larger explanation.

Remember the chariot wheels story you had me watch that bad cgi video? All for what? To find out later it was a known hoax and it wasnt even chariot wheels it was debris from shipwrecks from a different millennium. Talk about a waste of everyone's time.
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