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Mar 17 2026 03:26pm
ppl play the game for the loot

pvm gear isn't worth much so i'd probably need an example of a whale that isn't hoarding pvp gear to understand what you're talking about

my point isn't that whales are playing pvp. they are trying to accumulate rare and high roll items that are mainly used in pvp

that actually was a side point, my main point was that when the pvp is balanced the pvm will be inherently balanced, trying to do it the other way around you get phrases like "feels strong" like it's completely unempirical. the old devs were smart they attempted to balance pvp for a reason.


Pvm whales are just people who want items. The draw is progression and gambling, not pvp gameplay

How much does 15/3 400grief vs 399grief matter in PVP? I'd argue it makes no difference. price difference can be 10x though

Why are 45life lightning charms worth anything?

Why are warlock items worth something when warlock pvp doesnt exist outside of random pub bm?
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Mar 17 2026 03:29pm
Pvm whales are just people who want items. The draw is progression and gambling, not pvp gameplay

How much does 15/3 400grief vs 399grief matter in PVP? I'd argue it makes no difference. price difference can be 10x though

Why are 45life lightning charms worth anything?

Why are warlock items worth something when warlock pvp doesnt exist outside of random pub bm?


Ppl wanna optimize their builds so if they have the money they will spend it. Most high level pvpers are spending some expendable income on their gear. They have pride in their characters just like pvmers.

Warlock items are worth a lot cuz it just came out. Wait a couple ladders seasons.

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Ppl wanna optimize their builds so if they have the money they will spend it. Most high level pvpers are spending some expendable income on their gear. They have pride in their characters just like pvmers.

Warlock items are worth a lot cuz it just came out. Wait a couple ladders seasons.


Yes, and thats why the pvm market is bigger.

Elon Musk spent money on pvm many times (D4, POE2), probably many thousands of USD, and there are many pvm whales. More than pvp whales probably. It's just people with money who want better gear
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Mar 17 2026 05:01pm
i can't make any sense of what you said this is where i take my leave
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i can't make any sense of what you said this is where i take my leave


It's as simple as this

Pvm > pvp in terms of making money
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Mar 17 2026 09:11pm
Reign of the Warlock lol


ppl can't read or comprehend unfortunately
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Mar 17 2026 09:41pm
Theres often times where id rather mosaic...
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Mar 17 2026 10:49pm
theres like 20 people in all of d2 that take pvp seriously thats all you really need to know
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theres like 20 people in all of d2 that take pvp seriously thats all you really need to know


totally ignores the point. pvm is completely unbalanced because they don't even consider the power level of other classes and are too lazy to crunch the numbers. pvp is supposed to be balanced so that we don't have one class that makes the others look like trash, otherwise the pvm suffers.

literally doesn't matter how many ppl play pvp, it's not to appease pvpers. it's about balancing the game, they need to go based on actual numbers instead of what "feels" powerful.
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totally ignores the point. pvm is completely unbalanced because they don't even consider the power level of other classes and are too lazy to crunch the numbers. pvp is supposed to be balanced so that we don't have one class that makes the others look like trash, otherwise the pvm suffers.

literally doesn't matter how many ppl play pvp, it's not to appease pvpers. it's about balancing the game, they need to go based on actual numbers instead of what "feels" powerful.


i mean game hasn't been balanced for pvp since LOD
half the runewords are banned from pvp lmao if pvpers gotta make their own rules up about what is okay to "pvp" then yeah goose is cooked but alas they take themselves suprdupr srsly
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