Did this god know what I would choose before he set forth the choices before me? Did he already set into place the conditions which would lead me to make these choices, knowing what the outcome would be? Generally speaking if someone does a thing and knows what the outcome of doing the thing would be we hold them accountable, as per the other user's misguided analog to legal culpability. It's not illegal to accidentally harm someone. It is illegal to accidentally harm someone while performing an action that you know carries risk of harm. Hence the culpability thing. Similarly in almost all countries you can be charged for having foreknowledge of a crime and refusing to report it, regardless of your personal involvement.



Quoted bc the message addresses you as well. Also I guess you must not be Catholic

addresses me how? if i have to i will look up genetic fallacy for you

im sola scriptura, scripture only, which means scripture is the authority, not some dude in a fish hat

which fellow in a funny hat's translation do you ascribe to?

and i dont need you to look up genetic fallacy for me, i know what it is, generally speaking when you make a claim like "person x is doing y fallacy" and someone asks you why you think that they arent asking what the fallacy is, rather why you think it applies to the situation. the reason i asked is because he wasnt doing a genetic fallacy in the video, the audience member asks the speaker "what if youre wrong" and the speaker essentially demonstrates that the actual fallacy was in the question. it's just a rephrased version of pascal's wager which contains within it a plethora of fallacies, the most obvious of which the speaker highlights: it shifts the burden of proof for a thing to the disbeliever. as in "what if youre wrong about christ" has the same weight as "what if youre wrong that there is a flying spaghetti monster" or "what if youre wrong about zeus". it places the burden of proof on disproving a thing, which if youre talking about an invisible sky person is impossible to disprove. thankfully we developed this handy thing called logic and the hint for the burden is kind of in the name, as in if you are making an affirmative claim the burden is on you to prove your claim. its not called the burden of disproof after all.

God isn't orchestrating trials to test you if that is what you are implying. The results of our world are the results of free will decisions. You have with each opportunity the choice of approaching each situation freely as you choose to do so.

It is up to you how you handle your life here and what you choose to believe in. God can see each result that you choose to do, but it is still by his grace your choice.

It is a constant process of renewing your mind and denying your flesh (the example that Jesus put into place) in walking in the likeness of the lord.

God didn't give us the sun that causes cancers, heatstroke and kills us if we are expose to it? Can't wait for you to blame someone else.



This post was edited by addone on Mar 17 2026 01:45pm

Neuroscience has shown that conscious decisions can be predicted in the brain hundreds of milliseconds before the person decides to make them. To me that rules out free will.



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6640273/

This post was edited by x_h on Mar 17 2026 02:03pm

What im getting at is that you can't have it both ways. If god set things into motion knowing all outcomes then he can be seen to have caused the outcomes intentionally. If he didnt know the outcomes before he set forth the cause then hes not an omnipotent omniscient god.

A child gets killed by someone who was themselves abused by yet another victim of abuse who didnt have appropriate tools to handle the stimuli that was forced on them without their consent is kind of just a response to stimuli and a causal chain. So in this scenario god knew the first guy getting abused would lead to him "choosing" to respond by becoming abusive, which would result in the death of this innocent child. In fact, in the Christian worldview, that child's death or abuse was intentionally contrived by this god. This is kind of a sticking point because if there is such a god designing the torment of innocents hes probably not someone you want to he worshipping, and if hes not knowingly setting forth these outcomes then the validity of a Christian god comes under doubt.

Jesus wear a funny hat?

genetic fallacy in the vid
being brought up in a belief doesnt make that belief false

Richard Dawkins Answers a Christian #shorts




the scripture clearly states the creation is in a fallen condition. all you did here was prove scripture



it would depend on how you interpret the data.
something to chew on
another experiment was conducted. a person would wait until he decided to do a task (like what you are talking about) and yes there was brain activity. the experiment then told the subject that after he decided to do the task to change his mind and not do it. this time there was no brain spike. then the guy joked about free will and called it free wont

its was all in a vid i posted here. most likely no 'atheist watched it.



This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 17 2026 03:32pm

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing....

Proverbs 25:16 NASB1995
[16] Have you found honey? Eat only what you need, That you not have it in excess and vomit it.

Proverbs 25:27 NASB1995
[27] It is not good to eat much honey, Nor is it glory to search out one’s own glory.

It's really hard to take you seriously and again I firmly believe you are simply trolling. There is genuinely no way you are uneducated in the the benefits of the sun and I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

A moderate amount of sunlight is essential. It helps your body produce vitamin D, boosts mood, and supports healthy sleep cycles. The sun generates energy and warmth, photosynthesis, and weather and climate. The Sun isn’t just helpful, it’s the main energy source that keeps Earth livable and life thriving.

Too much exposure turns benefits into risks.

The sun was not created to "cause cancer".



You absolutely can have it both ways.... If free will didn't exist then what Jesus chose to do would make zero sense. Jesus is truth, so what he chose to do was for the very reason I'm saying to you now. You are in full control of how you choose to walk this life and are in full control of where you put your faith. God being able to see things before they happen is something he is capable of doing, but doesn't mean that everyone has a pre determined fate that is sealed before their life is put into motion. God is not sitting on some stage watching a fixed system. That is not the Gospel. He is watching a system fall apart through the fall of man and decisions that individuals make and continue to make freely by their god given free will.





This doesn’t prove the decision is made unconsciously or that free will is an illusion. The evidence suggests that decision making is a layered process.... An individual can still consciously stop or redirect an action even after that early activity begins.

AFAIK jesus didnt write or translate any bibles we have access to today, unless youve got some more hidden knowledge?

What do you think genetic fallacy is? Nothing he said in that quote hints at him saying that the ORIGIN of an idea determines it's validity. Did you just hear some chud youtuber say the phrase and now youre parroting it?