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Mar 16 2026 06:48pm
I don't think you understand the pure size we're talking here. There are estimated to be 10 billion trillion planets in the universe suitable for life. The odds that we are the smartest thing to emerge out of all that is close to 0.


10 billion trillion is only 10 which again I'll repeat is an extremely tiny number. The statistical probabilities we are discussing could only occur in 10 annum or more, and that is in ideal Earth conditions. Only a tiny fraction of those 10 planets may have Earth's conditions or none of them considering how tiny 10 is.
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Mar 16 2026 06:57pm
10 billion trillion is only 10^21 which again I'll repeat is an extremely tiny number. The statistical probabilities we are discussing could only occur in 10^99^99^99 annum or more, and that is in ideal Earth conditions. Only a tiny fraction of those 10^21 planets may have Earth's conditions or none of them considering how tiny 10^21 is.


Why would you need an ideal Earth? Earth is hardly ideal for us, we die all the time from a myriad of natural causes. Also where are you getting that number from? I hate to be the source guy but I've not seen any credible scientist make a claim about the rarity of life in the universe being on that scale, because if they did they would be laughed out of academia considering there are only 10 atoms in the observable universe. I would check your math again :bonk:

Also WRT ur last post, no scientist makes claims about the conditions leading up to the singularity because our methods of detecting these things are incapable of giving us that info. We don't know what it was like before expansion, or what caused it to expand, or how long it took to reach a point of expansion. Lots of theories, but again, we don't really have any way of knowing these conditions so one theory is as good as another for the most part. Which is to say that none of them are credible. Your desert god theory is just as valid as someone who thinks Vishnu is dreaming you into existence.
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Mar 16 2026 06:58pm
I don't think you understand the pure size we're talking here. There are estimated to be 10 billion trillion planets in the universe suitable for life. The odds that we are the smartest thing to emerge out of all that is close to 0.


Additionally with respect to intelligence you are reasoning from a flawed assumption, and that is smartness is somehow a universal material thing that exists. I is not, it is an emergent property of extremely sophisticated multicellular life. We know from chemistry that life is only possible in an aquesce environment and carbon based (silicon doesn't work in any conditions due to its energy levels, how it forms bonds with other atoms even though is quatravalent). So even single cell life is only possible at Earth conditions, Earth temperature & pressure, with an abundance of oxygen with dual reducing and oxidizing environments. And its already a stretch that there is even one other Earth-like planet. Combined with the fact that numerous lifeforms already exist here and humans are the most intelligent is a further nail in the coffin of intelligent extraterrestrial life. The stats just do not pan out
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Mar 16 2026 07:00pm
Why would you need an ideal Earth? Earth is hardly ideal for us, we die all the time from a myriad of natural causes. Also where are you getting that number from? I hate to be the source guy but I've not seen any credible scientist make a claim about the rarity of life in the universe being on that scale, because if they did they would be laughed out of academia considering there are only 10^82 atoms in the observable universe. I would check your math again :bonk:

Also WRT ur last post, no scientist makes claims about the conditions leading up to the singularity because our methods of detecting these things are incapable of giving us that info. We don't know what it was like before expansion, or what caused it to expand, or how long it took to reach a point of expansion. Lots of theories, but again, we don't really have any way of knowing these conditions so one theory is as good as another for the most part. Which is to say that none of them are credible. Your desert god theory is just as valid as someone who thinks Vishnu is dreaming you into existence.


The chemistry/science unequivocally proves you need Earth conditions for any form of life to occur, see above. Earth is so perfectly ideal it's mind boggling.

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Mar 16 2026 07:01pm
The chemistry/science unequivocally proves you need Earth conditions for any form of life to occur, see above


Can you give me something to support this claim? I'm very hestitant to agree to "just trust me brah its science" when you seem to be just pulling numbers out of your ass :P
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Mar 16 2026 07:03pm
Can you give me something to support this claim? I'm very hestitant to agree to "just trust me brah its science" when you seem to be just pulling numbers out of your ass :P


How about the phase diagram for water? Or the observable and self evident fact that all life mechanisms occur in an aqueous environment?

You are totally illiterate with respect to this so no point in this. Do you even know what a reducing or oxidizing environment is?

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Mar 16 2026 07:07pm
How about the phase diagram for water? Or the observable and self evident fact that all life mechanisms occur in an aqueous environment?

You are totally illiterate with respect to this so no point in this


Why don't you just google "How many planets in the universe have the potential for carbon-based life" before you start posturing like you're being pressed to prove things that are self-evidently true.

"Earth is so perfectly ideal is mind boggling" from the perspective of a form of life that evolved on Earth, yes, I can see why it would seem that way. Look how this banana fits perfectly in the palm of my hand. This is evidence of a clockmaker!
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Mar 16 2026 07:10pm
its pretty much settled science that there is no naturalistic explanation for life as we know it.
finding other life, that life happened more than once would only reinforce the idea that there is a creator

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Mar 16 2026 07:12pm
its pretty much settled science that there is no naturalistic explanation for life as we know it.
finding other life, that life happened more than once would only reinforce the idea that its a creator


That's right - and the more that the scientific literature expands, it only becomes more complex, absolutely destroying the idea that it somehow formed by statistical chance even further

I always notice how these atheist people have absolutely zero biochemical knowledge whatsoever

Phase diagrams are high school chemistry lol

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Mar 16 2026 07:18pm
That's right - and the more that the scientific literature expands, it only becomes more complex, absolutely destroying the idea that it somehow formed by statistical chance even further

I always notice how these atheist people have absolutely zero biochemical knowledge whatsoever

Phase diagrams are high school chemistry lol


Maybe these folks should go back high-school too, from the BBC "In fact, when surveyed, 86.6 per cent of astrobiologists recently said they either agreed or strongly agreed that extraterrestrial life likely exists somewhere else in the Universe.

When asked the same question but for complex or intelligent life, the agreeing percentage only drops to 58.2 per cent. More believe than don’t."
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