Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 9 2026 01:59pm)

to put some numbers to it
heph has 94k hp in p1 / 423k in p8, with 50% dr and 0 regen
tz urdar has 30k hp in p1 / 134k in p8, with 55% dr and 2.44%/s regen (frigid/acheron has 1.15x hp and 75% dr)
tz spearwoman has 14.5k hp in p1 / 65k in p8, with 33% dr and 1.22%/s regen
matrons spearwoman has 53.5k hp in p1 / 241k in p8, with 33% dr and 1.22%/s regen
then you get blood oath which should be maxed on all builds anyway so its ~12-16x the base HP, and another 1.74x the total HP from battle orders

With BO active, my Gulzar has 4000 hp / 0% dr, and my urdar named Blade Blister has 4250000 hp / 91% dr
At some point I think you can reach such astronomically overkill numbers on demons that even lower HP mobs like spearwomen are just effectively immortal. Maybe on a blood boil build being incautious and tanking ubers its possible for her to die where an urdar can't (but heph absolutely would because of his 0 regen). On a non-boil build with max blood oath they should all be immortal in all scenarios, let alone an urdar that regens more damage than any pvm monster in any scenario can possibly deal, hell he could probably tank echoing strike warlocks in pvp for many hits if you didn't let them hit you

To be clear, I think that you need to be actually spamming boil enough to get your monsters to sub 5% hp from you nuking them to a sliver of health before its even possible for them to die. Blood boil won't cast if they're below 5% hp, but they could regen slightly above it and you drop them from 5.1% to 0.1% hp and on the same frame they take some massive spike damage, yes maybe they can die. Requires obvious human error and ridiculous monster dps because even 0.1% of that 4.25 million hp is still more HP than my gulzar has at full health, and that urdar is regenerating over 100k per second and has 91% dr and casting engorge instantly restores 3.3 million hp

its why echoing strikes builds can get away with using hephasto even though he has no regen and most players aren't binding engorge, because millions of hp means it just cannot die

Quote (TheEmotionalSupport @ Mar 9 2026 01:08pm)

the vast majority of the time you see people in clips or videos playing lock, their merc is dead.

Quote (nodamnclan @ Mar 9 2026 02:56pm)

yeah skill issue

Quote (KRR @ Mar 9 2026 03:20pm)

can tell jsp’ers are all sheep, all using the same character/demon

sheep can’t form unique thoughts, because 1 second per game increased kill speed is all their lil nugget brains can muster

Quote (jebuschristo @ Mar 9 2026 02:39pm)

great info as always, is there a way of seeing the exact HP numbers you're quoting on bound demons or is it just based on out of game math?

Quote (TekkunDashi @ Mar 9 2026 09:28am)

I'd prefer the cold, it proc's slower but the speed it does vs the killing speed is close enough that it doesn't matter. Cold also is more defensive, lets you auto slow down lil suicidal nuggets of hate in Durance.

Quote (KRR @ Mar 9 2026 05:20pm)

can tell jsp’ers are all sheep, all using the same character/demon

sheep can’t form unique thoughts, because 1 second per game increased kill speed is all their lil nugget brains can muster

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 9 2026 06:58pm)

big question is whether normal monster upgraded to unique by bind demon gets the 2x life of a unique or not.