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Mar 8 2026 04:58pm
You know that Horazons boots are mirrored boots and already have a stre req of 163? That means with the 20 stre hoz adds, you need 143 stre prior to having hoz on. An eth upped hoz has a stre req of 132 and would not require any additional stre points to be equipped. With the stre from enigma, the MP is best option. That doesn't mean the high def from eth upped hoz won't be substantial with maxed holy shield


You know that Horazon boots got -30% req right?
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You know that Horazon boots got -30% req right?


Still irrelevant since a MP enigma already gives u enough stre to put on eth upped HOZ which gives u 20 more stre to equip whatever else. I'm just saying that the higher stre of a Zak shield should not be prohibitory
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Mar 8 2026 05:01pm
Nah you need the mana from soj

No spirit and no shako = garbage mana


having less mana to be able to tz tomb and baal is a good trade off
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Mar 8 2026 05:04pm
Still irrelevant since a MP enigma already gives u enough stre to put on eth upped HOZ which gives u 20 more stre to equip whatever else. I'm just saying that the higher stre of a Zak shield should not be prohibitory


Oh yeah prob idk I didnt follow the argument, just saw you tried to put an argument to someone else while providing false information I just wanted to correct it
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Mar 8 2026 05:55pm
having less mana to be able to tz tomb and baal is a good trade off


what :O
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Mar 8 2026 05:56pm
I mean..
He speaks about magic sunder.
This is obviously a PvM build.
Who in his right mind would want an Eth upped zod hoz for PvM ?

^housetime sry mate cant find the topic ><


played around with the build a bit. you're right, ber is better. Upped Zak with Ber is optimal. 178% MF without charms. ~600 mana after BO; with insight/cure/prayer merc, should be infinite mana for teleporting. 1 pt wonder redemption should have full life/mana after each mob. 22k per hammer. Not bad, probably better than base echo warlock (like without an amping demon)

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Mar 8 2026 06:07pm
what :O


i mostly play hdin once i find some more of the new items ill make a og #1 hdin 5min p1 chaos clear youtube video to show it off

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i mostly play hdin once i find some more of the new items ill make a og #1 hdin 5min p1 chaos clear youtube video to show it off


Pls I’m sure u can do at least 6 min p3 -_-
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Teleporting without shako and spirit feels awkward. Not enough mana!


500-600 mana with the OP build. You gain mana while teleporting, but can't spam hammers infinitely. In my experience, I never need to drink pots while farming solo p8



since +skills benefit hdin alot and void doenst give -magic res i think hoto might be better.

at least i tried it that way on p8 single player, even killed baal wave 2 pretty reasonable.
didnt do any math tho.


Void does more damage but I still prefer hoto, way cheaper, plenty good enough, resists on it are useful, and it gives higher conc aura for group (and higher level teleport)

hoz / 10


You're out of date, hoz sucked in lod but it's now BiS in rotw. You have to use sling and hellwarden (no choice if you're trying to be optimal) which means spirit gives you way too much FCR that you dont need

Nah you need the mana from soj

No spirit and no shako = garbage mana


Correct, no soj means like 400 mana unless you use mana scs
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