that's why i was using that example to show where his logic falls apart. for the same reason a hammerdin would obviously not optimize for magic immunes is the same reason a lightning sorc should not optimize for lightning immune. the immunities are a low % of the monsters, and killing them 20% slower will still net a much higher killing speed given that every other monster is killed 3x as fast

There is only one magic immune mob in the game unless you go out looking for the one-off variants in niche zones, just unravelers, who hammerdins can already kill with holy bolt + merc.
Lightning immunes are found in just about every zone every act, and most monsters have a lightning immune variant, and many uniques that aren't natively immune become so with lightning enchanted, others with magic resistant.
Rogue archers, axe rogues, spear rogues, claw vipers, vampires, urdars, baboons, bats, hawks, storm casters, death brawlers, council members, blowpipe fetish, unravelers, leapers, abyss knights, scarabs, skeletons, saber cats, skeleton mages, slingers, quill rats, succubi tainted, vultures, souls, zombies, zealots, cantors, even flying scimitars that pop out of traps and whomp you on the ass.

What do you do when you are against a TZ96 P8 Tier 5 herald with 2.4 million HP and light immune with 14 light immune minions, dealing 850% damage himself and 150% per minion?

are you saying that a self weild nova sorc is killing this TZ96 P8 Tier 5 herald with 2.4 million HP and light immune with 14 light immune minions, dealing 850% damage himself and 150% per minion easily, with the 20% increase in DPS?

I'm saying a warlock kills any variation no sweat, and the nova sorc can't even clear a room of trash mob urdars without getting ganked

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 6 2026 10:32am

Makes sense. That’s why I love this game because of how in depth this shit goes lol

i agree with this statement 100%.

what does this have to do with self weild vs 200 fcr? they both suck and cannot kill p8 TZ lvl 5 heralds solo

really only baal wave 2, and when tombs is tz.

im anxious to see how this changes once i can equip some of the new items with -% to enemy magic res
the old magic sunder alone was trash without any additional magic penetration or wtv you call it.

at one point they nerfed holy bolt, which used to have blessed hammer as a synergy. got worse since that change.

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Mar 6 2026 10:53am

Can we have the hero test chaos runs with 200fcr vs self wield infinity. 20 chaos runs each. And the coh jmod eschuta for the sake of fairness.


Actual gameplay > maxroll > napkin math

but you already kill the non lightning immunes with 1 nova regardless of your damage.

the only mosnters where it matters is the lightning immunes, and the self wield infinity setup does much more to lihgnting immune monsters than 200fcr.

so yes, self wield infinity > 200fcr

this is just patently false. if you have to start your argument with something that is certifiably false (unless u think p8 chaos monsters have less than 4k hp), then the rest is copium

This post was edited by LeetThrust on Mar 6 2026 11:26am