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Mar 6 2026 09:24am
So, please, do post dps numbers after setting enemy in maxroll to: Venom Lord and Storm Caster, in chaos. For both builds.


gonna do some quick napkin math

fire immune venom lord with amp damage, sigil (-37) fire sunder, conviction (-90) and gear (-55%) getting hit by a blood boil that deals 4.8k phys / 8.1k fire
>50 -> -87% dr
>130 -> 22% fr
->15.3k hp lost per cast

gee that's a 50% dr fire immune vs a fire build and its taking more than twice as much per hit as midget sorcs casting nova


where did i quote you?



until just now below:

I'm updating this post bc I realized I actually had the wrong ring on, it is actually even more in favor of FCR

This post was edited by LeetThrust on Mar 6 2026 09:31am
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gonna do some quick napkin math

fire immune venom lord with amp damage, sigil (-37) fire sunder, conviction (-90) and gear (-55%) getting hit by a blood boil that deals 4.8k phys / 8.1k fire
>50 -> -87% dr
>130 -> 22% fr
->15.3k hp lost per cast

gee that's a 50% dr fire immune vs a fire build and its taking more than twice as much per hit as midget sorcs casting nova


where did i quote you?

until just now below:


Looking at maxroll is yet again another bad place to get your damage output. It is another place that is littered with incorrect information and calculations.


So, please, do post dps numbers after setting enemy in maxroll to: Venom Lord and Storm Caster, in chaos. For both builds.


All of these calculations take into account the lightning penetration (-enemy LR).
Please note I am not "DURRHHHH- LOOKING AT THE NOVA DAMAGE ONLY ON MY TAB--- DURRRR"

Specific DPS vs Doom Knight: 20.4 200 FCR vs 7.9self weild





Specific DPS vs Venom Lord: 15.3k 200 FCR vs 14.2k self weild




Specific DPS vs Storm Caster: 6.3 vs 7.9 (the only time self weild is better)

https://i.imgur.com/sqY8FOx.png[/IMG]


Get wrekt

https://i.imgur.com/6rFhU2h.png

This post was edited by LeetThrust on Mar 6 2026 09:44am
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Mar 6 2026 09:43am
Get wrekt

So 200 fcr is worse versus light immunes.

And these are the only mobs that will be slowing you down, cause non-light immunes die quickly anyway.
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Mar 6 2026 09:46am
So 200 fcr is worse versus light immunes.

And these are the only mobs that will be slowing you down, cause non-light immunes die quickly anyway.


Yah, which is what I said. it is like 20-25% worse against lightning immunes, which is a portion of all monsters, and about 300% better vs non-immunes.

Now lets hear the cope of "ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH" slows you down, it doesn't matter how quickly you can kill 95% of the monsters you face, it matters that for the 5% of monsters, you can kill them 25% faster. See I was right!!!!!!!!
I heard macrobioboi say this was GOOOD AND I SAY IT IS GOOD TOO!!! OMG, AND EVERYONE SAYS SELF WIELD IS GOOD AND I SAY SOO TOOOOo!!!!!!!! YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING AT CHAR DMG SCREEN IT NOT REAL!!! OMG U SHOWED ME REAL DATA? WELL I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT HTE 3 LIGHTNIGN IMMUNE MONSTERS IN CHAOS!!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER I TELEPORT SLOWER OR KILL 95% OF THE MONSTERS AT 1/3 OF THE SPEED



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so a 200 fcr build with 42 nova / 42 mastery, with +60% / -50% on gear and conviction merc
which means you deal 5356 nova and an immune like storm casters still have 28% resist and should take 3856 avg per cast, not 1750ish (are you failing to include uber jewel / -% res sunder in that pic or what?)
and if you reduce a monster to -100, it takes 10.7k per cast

meanwhile warlocks are out there with a nova with 2x the radius that deals 25k per cast to non-immunes and 15k to immunes, on top of their 30-40k swings from demons. And defiler aoe for another +50%
but hey at least sorcs are casting at 7 fpa while locks are stuck at 9 fpa, guess the sorc's job is to teleport to chaos/baal and TP so the real chars can do the killing :bouncy:

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Yah, which is what I said. it is like 20-25% worse against lightning immunes, which is a portion of all monsters, and about 300% better vs non-immunes.

Now lets hear the cope of "ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH" slows you down, it doesn't matter how quickly you can kill 95% of the monsters you face, it matters that for the 5% of monsters, you can kill them 25% faster. See I was right!!!!!!!!
I heard macrobioboi say this was GOOOD AND I SAY IT IS GOOD TOO!!! OMG, AND EVERYONE SAYS SELF WIELD IS GOOD AND I SAY SOO TOOOOo!!!!!!!! YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING AT CHAR DMG SCREEN IT NOT REAL!!! OMG U SHOWED ME REAL DATA? WELL I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT HTE 3 LIGHTNIGN IMMUNE MONSTERS IN CHAOS!!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER I TELEPORT SLOWER OR KILL 95% OF THE MONSTERS AT 1/3 OF THE SPEED


Didn’t read but you didn’t understand what I wrote so that’s ok.
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so a 200 fcr build with 42 nova / 42 mastery, with +60% / -50% on gear and conviction merc
which means you deal 5356 nova and an immune like storm casters still have 28% resist and should take 3856 avg per cast, not 1750ish (are you failing to include uber jewel / -% res sunder in that pic or what?)
and if you reduce a monster to -100, it takes 10.7k per cast

meanwhile warlocks are out there with a nova with 2x the radius that deals 25k per cast to non-immunes and 15k to immunes, on top of their 30-40k swings from demons. And defiler aoe for another +50%
but hey at least sorcs are casting at 7 fpa while locks are stuck at 9 fpa, guess the sorc's job is to teleport to chaos/baal and TP so the real chars can do the killing :bouncy:


dude, I am not going to napkin math with you went I have presented with you the fine details calculated on maxroll. just admit that when everyone copies off the supposed smart person on a test, and when that person is wrong, then the answer is wrong

and wtf does this have to do with warlock. you are just bringing warlock in to obfuscate the fact that you were wrong

both cahrs have the best new sunder and best new jewel. rest are skillers.

This post was edited by LeetThrust on Mar 6 2026 09:54am
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Didn’t read but you didn’t understand what I wrote so that’s ok.


that's interesting you can determine that I did not understand what you wrote while admitting straight up that you did not read my response.
so basically without seeing my response you knew that I didn't understand what you wrote.
let that sink in
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Mar 6 2026 09:59am
that's interesting you can determine that I did not understand what you wrote while admitting straight up that you did not read my response.
so basically without seeing my response you knew that I didn't understand what you wrote.
let that sink in


Just admit that you were wrong, focusing on dmg vs non-immunes.

And optimized your build for a wrong parameter :)
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Mar 6 2026 10:03am
so a 200 fcr build with 42 nova / 42 mastery, with +60% / -50% on gear and conviction merc
which means you deal 5356 nova and an immune like storm casters still have 28% resist and should take 3856 avg per cast, not 1750ish (are you failing to include uber jewel / -% res sunder in that pic or what?)
and if you reduce a monster to -100, it takes 10.7k per cast

meanwhile warlocks are out there with a nova with 2x the radius that deals 25k per cast to non-immunes and 15k to immunes, on top of their 30-40k swings from demons. And defiler aoe for another +50%
but hey at least sorcs are casting at 7 fpa while locks are stuck at 9 fpa, guess the sorc's job is to teleport to chaos/baal and TP so the real chars can do the killing :bouncy:


I think the confusion is I am showing the DPS to specific monsters which have their immunity so the overall dmg is much less than when you normally look at damage output to "target dummy" here is the average dmg to the default "target dummy" with the -LR built in (I have to say this part for the low-iq ppl who keep saying I am not accounting for this)

200 FCR: 20.46k DPS vs
self weild: 12.23 K



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