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Can anybody comment on how Apoc does with early ladder gear, like for example using the Horizon set. I could token & see but I don't want to lose my demon homie
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Can anybody comment on how Apoc does with early ladder gear, like for example using the Horizon set. I could token & see but I don't want to lose my demon homie


Fire is easily the best warlock build on day 1 of a new ladder / leveling a char from a1 norm to a1 hell
Once you're in hell the build starts fumbling due to immunes, and by the time you could have horazon's set an echo build could have insight and be clearly better
but then fire build either pulls even or maybe pulls ahead once you reach best in slot enigma++ gear

In P1 game my Apocalypses needs to only be cast once in cows. When cows are Terrorized its about 2 casts. Baal waves 1-3 are cast once, wave 4 cast twice, and wave 5 takes a lot more (between 4-5). The 1.8 sec delay is a killer, have to have a big old demon bound to attract attention. Endgame when it is level 35 and higher it is a good skill.
But building up, almost all Warlocks suffer from too much mana requirement. No Insight then the toon is useless. For a ladder toon the fire/apocolypse almost requires a sunder, good luck with that on getting one.


I mean in P1 most builds can breeze through stuff virtually instantly.
Blood boil sure feels like its the least mana stressed, because compared to say echoing strikes you're using half the mana per cast and getting back twice the MAEK because of max engorge synergy to hex siphon
fire and echo both have those mana issues for a lot of the game even with insight on themselves or merc
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Mar 6 2026 08:11am
Fire is easily the best warlock build on day 1 of a new ladder / leveling a char from a1 norm to a1 hell
Once you're in hell the build starts fumbling due to immunes, and by the time you could have horazon's set an echo build could have insight and be clearly better
but then fire build either pulls even or maybe pulls ahead once you reach best in slot enigma++ gear

Yeah, I'm currently running Horizon + insight with echo, but I wanted to try Apoc with mang song & a fire sunder.
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Mar 6 2026 08:25am
tested 4 build so far:
ES obviously most broken in every way possible but almost certain will get nerf comes next season/patch
Fire probably most rounded build, will be very good once you max geared i/e phoenix mansong
Demon focus obvious also very broken with eruption but I find it very boring you essentially just playing support like all summon build not fun to play as supporter
Magic chain/abyss build, pvp shit not fun at all to play in pve
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I bothered to capture some video of what blood boil looks like in action on bnet for P1 vs P8 TZ96 just to give some reference points

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dont sleep on mirrored blades, with 5 simultaneous strikes

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Abyss is best build farming and definitely PVP
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I bothered to capture some video of what blood boil looks like in action on bnet for P1 vs P8 TZ96 just to give some reference points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ8tL5DHZ8A


Wow. K that's op 👍
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Mar 6 2026 09:19am
Echoing strike feels like a hammer. Not the fastest but ultra safe and ultra damage and without selling your organs for Paul coins. I can clear ANYTHING without any sweat. No matter the players in game or the herald count, the ubers or the ancients i delete them all. With a 60fg weapon, no skillers and no torch. You can't do that with any other build.
I sdon't even see an inmune because my cursed/cold aura demon puts amplify in the whole screen every second.
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Fire is good, harder to get going

Minion builds can clear the game while you afk but they’re obviously not fast
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