It's a statistically reality. During the BDS movement the politicians and Israel lobby saturated our Fed docket with bills and amendments to counter it rather than serving their own constituents. If you aggregate, count, and sort the Media heads it's the opposite of a diverse bunch. We have hashed out the US aid to Israel before. Think last net total was pushing beyond $350 billion over the whole relationship Since Oct 7th, if you split the aid by Israeli citizen, it's tens of thousands in benefit.

Edit: I'm saying Israel has Uber influence not the absolutist control from your deflection trope.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Mar 6 2026 06:39am

context.

Israel is a close US ally, so of course there is lobbying and political support. But that is normal in Washington. Every major ally and industry lobbies Congress. Saudi Arabia, defense companies, oil companies, tech companies, Taiwan, Ukraine, all spend huge amounts influencing policy.

BDS legislation also did not appear out of nowhere. Many US states passed anti BDS laws because they considered boycotts against a specific ethnic or national group discriminatory. Whether people agree or disagree, those bills were passed by elected representatives.

Regarding aid, the number you mentioned over decades is roughly in the range people cite, but it is mostly military aid that must be spent on American defense companies. In practice it subsidizes the US defense industry and strengthens a regional ally that shares intelligence, technology, and military coordination with the US.

And if Israel truly had the level of influence you claim, Israel would not constantly face pressure from Washington on settlements, military operations, ceasefires, and negotiations. That alone shows where the bigger power in the relationship actually sits.You

Like any country ever before Iran.

If you go and investigate further you might be able to blame Julius Caeser for whats going in Iran.

I think only going back to WW2 - today, covers quite a lot, but your not wrong, you can trace alot of disputes back a long time. Africa is a good example of events prior to WW2 wrecking the continent (say...the scramble for Africa).

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 6 2026 07:35am

Seems we are mostly aligned then. Israel is among top nations peddling influence in Washington. sure everybody is doing it. Israel lobby and faithful elected representatives beholden to Israel over constituents first amendment rights in regards to government contractors being discriminated against for their views on Israel. In particular there were some Arab contractors penalized for exercising 1A, agreed it's a problem when elected representatives undermined by Israel. In regards to pressure, sure at times, although Netenyahu has slow walked the post October 7th timeframe looking for better political winds. It's surprising he leads still.

Israel should be flattered. Pound for pound have proven very powerful. Doing super power tier work with tiny population and land.

Yea.. Israel’s got influence, but that’s not the same as controlling the US. Every ally and industry in DC lobbies for what they want. Just because Israel gets some laws passed doesn’t mean it’s running the show.

If it really controlled the US, it wouldn’t need to run every military move and diplomatic step past Washington, especially after October 7th. Israel punches above its weight because of smart planning, strong institutions, and culture not because it’s calling the shots for the most powerful country in the world.

Sure, pound for pound Israel’s effective, but being effective isn’t the same as being in control.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 6 2026 08:31am

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I dont disagree that the 60% was a deterrent, it was a deterrant. what im saying is you dont invade over deterrent level uranium. you sanction, pressure, negotiate, etc. and if it doesnt work they're left a starving nation with a deterrant. this is the long game but it was working, with the help of CIA stoking the protests and letting internal pressure build. but unlike ukraine we didnt fund and let an internal protest topple the govt, we just used their existence as a pretense for war.

the thing missing from your viewpoint is that regime change doesnt work. its not a question of if the replacement is better or worse, it a question of if it is viable. and it hasnt proved to be. not in iraq, not in afghanistan, not in syria, not in lebanon, not anywhere. we've never once done a successful regime change. we'll blow up the country, kill many US soldiers, spend trillions rebuilding, prop up a local govt, and it will be toppled as soon as we try and pull out. or we spend endlessly to stay, which is almost as bad. but it wont last, we'll get tired of it just like in iraq, and some potus will get elected on the promise of pulling out. they will, the local govt will be toppled, and extremists will fill the vacuum.

I don't think Israel cares about regime change or not. At the end of the day if Iran is left in a Libya like state with warring factions killing themselves for decades, it's a win for them. This rhetoric about helping the oppressed masses of Iran is largely a propaganda point to sell the interventions.