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Feb 27 2026 04:36am
I vote to leave it unchanged, or make it even harder.
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Feb 27 2026 04:41am
your point is 100% valid and understandable


they could make the sunder a global drop, the same drop rate as ber, would be ok for me. But forcing me to sit 3 hours in one game clearing 5 act in one sitting, no thank you.


Thats my point indeed.
The possibility to find any item (at least if you are in an ALvl high eniugh - which is another whole topic) at any given time,
The possibility to find a Zod after 1 minute of gameplay, or to not find one after 5 years like our friend over there,
Is what makes it thrilling.

I dont say we want to find items every 1 minute or only always after 1 minute,
I say that the possibility of it happening is what makes the game beautiful.
It is pure RNG. Nothing more nothing less.
No stacking BS.
You can kill one mob, find a Ber. Kill a second one, Ber again. The odds are extremely low to the almost impossible, but they are there.
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Feb 27 2026 04:51am
Thats my point indeed.
The possibility to find any item (at least if you are in an ALvl high eniugh - which is another whole topic) at any given time,
The possibility to find a Zod after 1 minute of gameplay, or to not find one after 5 years like our friend over there,
Is what makes it thrilling.

I dont say we want to find items every 1 minute or only always after 1 minute,
I say that the possibility of it happening is what makes the game beautiful.
It is pure RNG. Nothing more nothing less.
No stacking BS.
You can kill one mob, find a Ber. Kill a second one, Ber again. The odds are extremely low to the almost impossible, but they are there.


I found 2 sunders in the same game. You think any person in 25 years found 2 zods in the same game?
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Feb 27 2026 04:55am
I found 2 soj s in two Andy raids in a row...anyone else?
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Feb 27 2026 04:58am
Tbh it’s not even solely about the time in a single game.

You know what you need to farm a sunder charm? To already have a fucking sunder charm lol…. Or be a warlock (which is presumably gonna get nerfed in the future) or I guess everyone goes back to solely playing a hammerdin for the first 100hrs of every season.

I don’t need to have a griffons to be able to farm another griffons. I don’t need to have previously found a zod to be able to farm a zod.


yea warlock is fucking op, thats clear.

Now you need to start in lod and then convert lol
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Feb 27 2026 05:03am
yea warlock is fucking op, thats clear.

Now you need to start in lod and then convert lol


Yeah the fact that this ladder is currently overwhelming populated by characters who don’t need a sunder to be able to farm a sunder is artificially making this situation look less bad than it is.
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Feb 27 2026 05:07am
Yeah the fact that this ladder is currently overwhelming populated by characters who don’t need a sunder to be able to farm a sunder is artificially making this situation look less bad than it is.


i play barb but i cant farm them either because not time to sit 3 hours before the fucking pc/tv to clear 5 acts in a row

this is easy doable if u do it p8, the heralds spawn way more often and the droprate is better. So people wo have time can team up and hunt for some days while exping, share the loot etc.

good for those players

bad for p1 casuals

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Feb 27 2026 05:15am
i play barb but i cant farm them either because not time to sit 3 hours before the fucking pc/tv to clear 5 acts in a row

this is easy doable if u do it p8, the heralds spawn way more often and the droprate is better. So people wo have time can team up and hunt for some days while exping, share the loot etc.

good for those players

bad for p1 casuals


You know casuals can also play with others right? If thats not an option for you, thats a you problem. It takes maybe an hour to clear all 5 acts with 8 players. You dont want to spend couple hours on your own but you also dont want to play with others, see the issue?
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Feb 27 2026 05:21am
You know casuals can also play with others right? If thats not an option for you, thats a you problem. It takes maybe an hour to clear all 5 acts with 8 players. You dont want to spend couple hours on your own but you also dont want to play with others, see the issue?


fair point, yeah probably will switch to singleplayer

allocated loot would be nice to play at least with other casuals
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Feb 27 2026 05:26am
fair point, yeah probably will switch to singleplayer

allocated loot would be nice to play at least with other casuals


It’s not really solved simply by going to single player. The idea that you need a sunder to be able to farm a sunder and enable 90% of build in this game is just fundamentally backwards.

It’s far easier to get a sunder online where at least you can trade up to one and not have to farm one yourself.

Dataminers have also said drop rates are currently slightly worse in single player than online fwiw. Apparently t1-3 heralds have a super small chance to drop a sunder instead of gheeds online, where that functionality doesn’t currently exist offline for whatever reason.
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