Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 26 2026 10:42am)

well the best in slot weapon is not the same as best in slot for damage, because the build very obviously kills everything in 1 hit at some point so excess damage is pointless
question comes down how much is it worth having self-held insight vs insight on merc
pride on merc is a big damage boost that has your merc deal no damage / lifesteal and overwrite demon amp, insight on merc is pretty good qol

Fort tmaul is very clearly going to underperform other options like ondals/obsession. Its only 25% fcr so you need to sacrifice more glove/shield/ammy/ring slots to hit 125, you are only getting +639 weapon damage when ondals is +130 damage / +4 skills / +20% ds which winds up way higher damage

Quote (jebuschristo @ Feb 26 2026 09:43am)

You missed the part where I was agreeing with you that eth CV insight is best of all :)

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 26 2026 10:46am)

I dunno I want to test the three variants I don't know which is the best of the setups, they're definitely the 3 top candidates though
haven't tried playing with obsession to see how annoying the %ctc is, or compare mercs impacts on ondals vs insight

but there's a lot of people on trading forums running around right now selling ludicrously overvalued and awful tmaul setups

Quote (BdizzleD2 @ Feb 26 2026 10:38am)

Just do levitation with your extra points imo. Doesn't hurt to get more crit. Also the lowering of your weapon requirement can make it so you don't need to stat any Dex and can put that towards more Vit if not going for max block

This is what I've done and lvl 90 p8 TZs are fine with a no enigma build. I don't even put a hex on usually

Quote (xPoExD2Rx @ Feb 26 2026 10:53am)

one other question. Since im going basically full Phys, hellwarden is kind of worthless for me right?

Quote (xPoExD2Rx @ Feb 26 2026 09:53am)

one other question. Since im going basically full Phys, hellwarden is kind of worthless for me right?

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 26 2026 10:56am)

The best in slot option for an optimized build is a +2 skill / 20 fcr circlet with 2 sockets and useful affixes like resists. Hellwarden's will is basically a budget version of that with +1 skills, 20 fcr and 1 socket and +6 maek. You don't care at all about its -resists or ias. Its certainly the best option for a build that doesn't have a godly circlet since you will need that 20% fcr to hit 125 on most of these setups

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 26 2026 10:56am)

Its 'probably' better than Coven runeword depending on what you socket I guess, for a budget build you'd have to decide between +6 maek / 15 all resists with um hellwardens vs coven with +5 laek / 40 mf / 30 fr
i dunno kinda really minor choice difference