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This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 23 2026 09:59pm

Thundermaul has more base damage and Forti also has 40-100% more weapon-ed compared to insight. This results in a big bunch of more weapon damage.

Even with phoenix insight won’t do more sheet damage than thundermaul Forti and tome while actualy having LESS crit.

So what’s the point? You will still end up with less weapon damage even with phoenix, less deadly strike since you drop highlords, less + skills and a lot less defensive stats.

You just gain 250 more of weapon ed% on a char stacked with ed already. Forti just reaches more pure damage with the tome instead of phoenix while also having better stats on EVRYTHING else (+ skills, deadly strike, all res etc).

Like if insight had a bunch + skills or something it might be closer. But with insight you need to run phoenix to get close to (not match) Forti base damage while loosing on EVERY other stat.

There is just no world where this is on the level of Forti.

I can understand people running obsession and stuff vs big hammers since the + skills and even bigger fcr actualy let you setup different.

But as long as medi is not 100% necessary insight is just worse in every way than a forti.

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 23 2026 10:25pm

The damage is insane yeah. And + skills are much better than I thought. Guess the best for QOL would be obsession but ondals/mang song with LO work too

Main reason to use the ondals here is 45 fcr 4 skills. You'll sacrifice more with mang song to recover that 15 fcr than the +1 skill. You could have 125 fcr on a stormshield build highlords trangs build with no rares/crafts save fcr rings.

my 125 fcr insight+spirit shield does 38k-70k with highlords and lvl 13 critical strike, i dont need expensive ammy or helm, i use shako, still 125 fcr

this damage is plenty for me idk why i would need more? this is also without skillers most of my inventory is free for looting

I don't understand why people care about weapon damage at all. Most of the damage is coming from the min-max damage on the skill itself. And at a certain amount of damage there's no difference between doing 80% of every monster's HP or 60%, it's always 2 shots regardless or your screen damage.

A reason why it can be a race between options like ondals, mang songs, obsession, void, hoto, etc.
Obsession would be the clear winner if not for its % cast on struck overriding your demon's amp damage with its own weaken curse, a pretty significant loss of dps. It does save one fcr slot over ondals though

Weapon damage is way less important than I thought at the beginning. But I guess at some point it gets „more“ relevant? Like if I have a full skiller inventory and like + 15-20skills already, weapon damage might give you more actual damage than some more + skills. It all depends on the rest of your gear I guess.

Does deadly/critical strike only proc on the weapon damage portion of the skill? Or does it double the skilldamage itself , too ?

What about of weapon ed? Does it effect base skill damage, too , or just the weapon portion ?

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 24 2026 10:17pm

So after reading 8 pages there is still no final conclusion what is the best 125fcr build 😅
But whats even more important for me is what you guys max After after nun je Main skills? You all max hex purge?

For pure damage the best is ariocs that’s for sure. 4 skills and 70% deadly strike is unbeaten. Best Allrounder for me is forti but it can actualy be anything we mentioned here so far.

Guess the actualy fastest clear might be ariocs with 125 fcr (need an 2/15+ Amy and tome) since you get 70% deadly strike from weapon alone dropping your highlords doesn’t loose as much value as it does on other weapons.

Hex purge is great since it applies the extra damage on every single echo.

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Feb 25 2026 12:12am