Irony

You get my point wich is good. Im just using the demon and merc and 2x defiller to spread the single target. If i was using echoing strike i whould have use a other aura to spread the amp. But since it only 10x target at time that gets hit i dont really need it. And stuff die fast enough i dont need holyfreeze. Im not using echoing cause its just too much broken for my taste.

This post was edited by Disguea2012 on Feb 24 2026 01:46pm

Well I'm ready with round 1, going with the quick and easy example for my blood boil respec on bnet now
Durance TZ so I bound about 20 basic urdars in a row until I got one with conviction aura. Not at all a maxed out build, with my swap gear and no skill shrines its level 43 bind 43 oath 36 mastery and 94 tz (cursed dolls... I lived)
took about 3 minutes once the TZ was active in an area with a useful mob



but calculations, 90-140% base damage at level 97 (I think when bound, might be 94 though) and +120% smite (maybe some % higher since tz, might scale up a bit and be +30% ed)
125 base damage + 1225 skill, +645% ed bind, +220% might aura, +99% extra strong, +120% smite, 5% crit = 16.7k avg damage per hit + amp + conviction

for a new ladder char without enigma, torch, anni, or max skillers seems pretty good (4k phys + 5.2k fire blood boil with -51% resist + conviction)



Unfortunately a big takeaway is that replacing a top tier demon when you die/respec/fatfinger is going to be largely up to either prohibitive RNG on spawns, or waiting for TZ to hit the right areas. Previously it was on a2 areas with no demons at all. It only takes a few minutes once TZ is on spearwomen areas, urdar areas, river, WSK, etc. But without that, I think the best you can do is Ismail until you get right aura which granted is very fast and painless but Ismail is a pretty bad mob and won't fight much in combat so you're crippling your build

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 24 2026 03:51pm

could you share your tree? I am REALLY curious why I see 2x tainted instead of 2x Defiler in that screenshot

I was using 1 point tainted as a way to chip damage urdars to bind them, and I have it hotkeyed but not goatmen for this build so it was just less hassle
at the moment;
>5/5 facet -15 mang song, authority armor, 5/5 facet +4 boil ars tor baalos, -11 flickering flame (boo), 25 maras, magefist, rare high resist fcr ring, dwarf star, arachs, rare resist boots, staff of teleportation + 3x pdiamond large shield on swap, 5x skillers, flame rift, cube, 2x4 open inventory for pickups, eth ca insight + leviathan + cot might merc
>20 blood boil 20 engorge 20 blood oath 20 bind demon 11 demonic mastery 1 sigil 1 blade war 1 hex siphon (92)

Its blasting through chaos p8 carrying people but it does feel like it needs enigma much more than I did as a flame caster since I can't telestomp stuff, just deathmark, so I've got to juggle myself and my demon whereas enigma I'd just telestomp most stuff

worst 1min of my life wtf

Gotta catch em all!!!!

Definitely learning some interesting new techniques with blood boil as I use it
clear entire rooms in tz 94 tomb runs without opening the door first, because deathmark lets you teleport your demon to the other side

Just kind of catching up. I play only a little bit of time a day, but I try to read a bunch here to learn

I like summoners, but have been leveling with blood boil. Do you think you can really lean on minion carry, or blood boil is needed?

Thanks!

Was doing this the other day, demon will even open doors to run back to you lol

Question for you - Is demon movespeed a factor? Rogue seems way faster than a Mauler for example. (I know enigma/deathmark move demons but this rogue will engage cross screen on its own FAST)