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Feb 23 2026 03:06pm
"Anyone know if the bind demon target has snapshotted stats or if it is ltreated as iron golem and rerolled each game creation."

Does anyone know the answer to this question? Would additional points in bind demon add to the demon currently bound or not?
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Feb 23 2026 03:20pm
so i should go to cold plain and find a spear rogue isntead of using my lister?

whats the ingame name of the mob called spear rogue? its should be called spear rogue in cold plain?

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I know demon keeps the attributes of bind demon skill levels at the time of taming and stays there forever (hence we can’t respec).

But do you know if they also keep the levels of the passive (oath and mastery)? I guess it doesn’t really matter but just to min-max demons.


Can you tell me also why you put pin worm as platinum sss tier? Is it just style point?


Just style of course
But yes we don't know exactly what's baked in at time of casting, binding and rejoining games, it needs to tested somehow and its not easy. The best way to set up tests would be using level 1 skill with +80 skills in hero editor, then test damage/etc in each scenario, should be pretty apparent.

so i should go to cold plain and find a spear rogue isntead of using my lister?

whats the ingame name of the mob called spear rogue? its should be called spear rogue in cold plain?


Nope the spear rogues in act 1 don't use jab, only the act 5 / matron den version do
They have a variety of names in act 5 but all have the same AI

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Just style of course
But yes we don't know exactly what's baked in at time of casting, binding and rejoining games, it needs to tested somehow and its not easy. The best way to set up tests would be using level 1 skill with +80 skills in hero editor, then test damage/etc in each scenario, should be pretty apparent.



Nope the spear rogues in act 1 don't use jab, only the act 5 / matron den version do
They have a variety of names in act 5 but all have the same AI


so for someone playing pure demon + 2x defiler what demon you recommend I get (i dont have keys to go into matreon den yet)
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Feb 23 2026 03:43pm
so for someone playing pure demon + 2x defiler what demon you recommend I get (i dont have keys to go into matreon den yet)


wait until TZ hits any of those areas (frigid, frozen river, ancients, wsk) and keep opening new games until you get cursed OR spear mobs in that TZ, if its no spear mobs and no cursed open a new game. If its non-cursed TZ, search for spearwomen and if not one of the 3 picked leave, but if it is, try to sweep for a unique cursed spearwomen. If its cursed TZ search for any spearwomen, and if not, leave the game and reroll. And if its cursed + spearwomen you autowin and can happily convert each trash mob one by one until you get the aura you want.
Make sure to swap in +skills gear for binding
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Feb 23 2026 03:48pm
Just style of course
But yes we don't know exactly what's baked in at time of casting, binding and rejoining games, it needs to tested somehow and its not easy. The best way to set up tests would be using level 1 skill with +80 skills in hero editor, then test damage/etc in each scenario, should be pretty apparent.



Nope the spear rogues in act 1 don't use jab, only the act 5 / matron den version do
They have a variety of names in act 5 but all have the same AI


I am 99% confident that bind demon skill level is snapshotted into the demon at the time of taming (so basically max out bind demon skill level before taming if you care to min-max their attributes) which i briefly tested when it came out.

I’m not sure how passive works
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Battlemaid Sarina is fierce. :angel:
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Feb 23 2026 03:51pm
It would be interesting to see how fanaticism aura affects these mobs attack frame. I can get someinfo from d2planner but just not confident if they are 100% accurate.
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Feb 23 2026 03:59pm
It would be interesting to see how fanaticism aura affects these mobs attack frame. I can get someinfo from d2planner but just not confident if they are 100% accurate.


Its not too hard to calculate by hand
Amazon basin wiki lists each mob in the area pages they spawn, ie act 5 -> worldstone keep 1 and scroll down to cr_lancer8 and it shows she uses animation code CR, which is conveniently hyperlinked
Rogues have a 2 hand thrust (2HT) attack animation with 18 FPD / 11 attack frame, so with 0% ias its 11 AP / 17 FPA, and with max 75% EIAS its 6 AF / 10 FPA
I don't know exactly how jab overrides this with its skill animation though. If its using the same animation tables as amazon jab it would start at 3 attacks in 31 frames at 0% ias, and cap out at 15 frames at 71+ EIAS

I'm pretty sure on a pure summoner fanat won't add any %EIAS in normal circumstances since you go beyond the normal 75% cap with just mastery + engorge

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Its not too hard to calculate by hand
Amazon basin wiki lists each mob in the area pages they spawn, ie act 5 -> worldstone keep 1 and scroll down to cr_lancer8 and it shows she uses animation code CR, which is conveniently hyperlinked
Rogues have a 2 hand thrust (2HT) attack animation with 18 FPD / 11 attack frame, so with 0% ias its 11 AP / 17 FPA, and with max 75% EIAS its 6 AF / 10 FPA
I don't know exactly how jab overrides this with its skill animation though. If its using the same animation tables as amazon jab it would start at 3 attacks in 31 frames at 0% ias, and cap out at 15 frames at 71+ EIAS

I'm pretty sure on a pure summoner fanat won't add any %EIAS in normal circumstances since you go beyond the normal 75% cap with just mastery + engorge


Ah good point, completely forgot we also have engorge induced attack speed boost.
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