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Feb 23 2026 12:28pm
Have you tested if its not just a visual bug? I swear at day one I rolled a tz lister in nm tho carried over the curse from cursed tz into hell game. I'm not sure if it was displayed or not. Also does a hefasto have a skill that curses even tho he is not cursed ? My friend had one who didn't display "cursed" but kept amping monsters anyways


I tested cursed affix and they werent cursing monsters, so not just a display bug. The trash mob with cursed, was. Ill test it again, but even in the game you bind them you can immediately see it

I also want to stress the importance of mob AI, even if you can have a cursed fallen or putrid defiler with gigantic damage and hp it still wont be aggressive and will run away
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Feb 23 2026 12:29pm
Am I tripping or why would a mob from tz be better than from marton’s den?

Don’t those den ones have immune to literally anything except phys dmg
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Feb 23 2026 12:33pm
Hephasto dies extremely loudly for other people when you leave the game btw lol


New way to annoy people in duel games

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We need a tier list who is the most annoying

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We need a tier list who is the most annoying


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Am I tripping or why would a mob from tz be better than from marton’s den?

Don’t those den ones have immune to literally anything except phys dmg


Naw that's the venom lords in furnace of pain / uber trist, can only be uniques in furnace. They have the upside of 50% dr and 145% all other resists
Black lancers in matrons den are lightning immune, with 33% dr and 0/25/100/50/15% resists
Advantage of matrons den is that they have 400-500% of monlvl health and 130-260% of damage (120-180 for jab), while other a5 lancers only have 80-115% health and 65-130% damage (60-90 jab)
But you're adding vastly more base damage from the skill so their % base stats don't matter, and while they do have almost 4x the HP that doesn't matter when they can't die because 500k+ hp + 6k/s regen and a button to spoon them 2 juvs and 100%+ lifesteal and so on

Indeed the immunities on venom lords simply don't matter because taking damage is irrelevant when you can't die. The only immunities on demons that kind of matter are cold immunity to prevent chill, and poison immunity because poison disables their regen (but boy they still could tank for 10 minutes). And cold immunity only relative to chill effectiveness, cold is a 33% slow on lancers and they become cold immune with cold enchanted, same stats for blunderbores and lister.

TZ lancers get up to level 99 as a unique and use the base 111 damage / 3940 ar, and for lvl 96 life for 7447 base. Den lancer uniques are level 86 with base 98 / 3446 ar, while hp is level 83 with base 5952. And having 400-500% of 5952. Hence the base damage is 72-144 for TZ a5 lancer normal attack, vs 127-254 for den lancers. But you're adding +1718 on top. And being level 99 means a better chance to hit in TZ areas / ubers against 96+ level opponents where even if you brought them to 100 hp after deathmark + conviction aura you might still have a significant chance to hit below 95%
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Naw that's the venom lords in furnace of pain / uber trist, can only be uniques in furnace. They have the upside of 50% dr and 145% all other resists
Black lancers in matrons den are lightning immune, with 33% dr and 0/25/100/50/15% resists
Advantage of matrons den is that they have 400-500% of monlvl health and 130-260% of damage (120-180 for jab), while other a5 lancers only have 80-115% health and 65-130% damage (60-90 jab)
But you're adding vastly more base damage from the skill so their % base stats don't matter, and while they do have almost 4x the HP that doesn't matter when they can't die because 500k+ hp + 6k/s regen and a button to spoon them 2 juvs and 100%+ lifesteal and so on

Indeed the immunities on venom lords simply don't matter because taking damage is irrelevant when you can't die. The only immunities on demons that kind of matter are cold immunity to prevent chill, and poison immunity because poison disables their regen (but boy they still could tank for 10 minutes). And cold immunity only relative to chill effectiveness, cold is a 33% slow on lancers and they become cold immune with cold enchanted, same stats for blunderbores and lister.

TZ lancers get up to level 99 as a unique and use the base 111 damage / 3940 ar, and for lvl 96 life for 7447 base. Den lancer uniques are level 86 with base 98 / 3446 ar, while hp is level 83 with base 5952. And having 400-500% of 5952. Hence the base damage is 72-144 for TZ a5 lancer normal attack, vs 127-254 for den lancers. But you're adding +1718 on top. And being level 99 means a better chance to hit in TZ areas / ubers against 96+ level opponents where even if you brought them to 100 hp after deathmark + conviction aura you might still have a significant chance to hit below 95%


makes sense

maybe i'll try one out sometime
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Feb 23 2026 02:30pm
I know demon keeps the attributes of bind demon skill levels at the time of taming and stays there forever (hence we can’t respec).

But do you know if they also keep the levels of the passive (oath and mastery)? I guess it doesn’t really matter but just to min-max demons.


Can you tell me also why you put pin worm as platinum sss tier? Is it just style point?
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