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This post is a common misunderstanding of the difference between evidence and proof. there is evidence, that's what justifies an investigation. you cant say you want an investigation but there is no evidence, because that's against our constitution. we only investigate things that we have evidence showing there is potential wrongdoing.

what we dont have is proof. on that we agree. and ive never claimed anything to the contrary. im not in the gnarjay camp of saying trump IS a proven pedophile, or rapist, or even calling him a felon. Trump isn't my political adversary, im not a democrat.

but that puts us in a feedback loop. evidence exists, so an investigation should be done, those in charge of the investigation are implicated in the evidence, so the investigation wont happen or will be tainted by bias. and around and around we go. we're stuck in this loop and wont break out.


No... there are allegations. Evidence is used to prove allegations. You can have an investigation based on allegations alone, this in no way violates the constitution... There is currently no evidence though, only the allegations themselves. If I'm wrong, again, I'm open to being shown this evidence.

The Epstein files are a result of several investigations, one(which resulted in the final arrest of Epstein) was undertaken during Trump's first presidency, the other's did not take place under his administration. Were these investigations not broad enough in scope? Do they say things about the current administration which are being withheld? I don't know. I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration was specifically covering up crimes committed by Donald Trump, but I'm open to the possibility. It seems to me they would have burnt just about anyone they had to in order to get him though.
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No... there are allegations. Evidence is used to prove allegations. You can have an investigation based on allegations alone, this in no way violates the constitution... There is currently no evidence though, only the allegations themselves. If I'm wrong, again, I'm open to being shown this evidence.

The Epstein files are a result of several investigations, one(which resulted in the final arrest of Epstein) was undertaken during Trump's first presidency, the other's did not take place under his administration. Were these investigations not broad enough in scope? Do they say things about the current administration which are being withheld? I don't know. I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration was specifically covering up crimes committed by Donald Trump, but I'm open to the possibility. It seems to me they would have burnt just about anyone they had to in order to get him though.


there are a list of literal accusers who are alleging crimes ranging from trafficking and statutory rape to full blown rape. but even if we're only looking at the scope of just the emails you're still wrong. police use communication between people using coded language all of the time as evidence admissible in a court of law. if they catch a drug ring at trial they can show messages like "when is the load of ice coming in". then the prosecutor can argue to the jury that this means drugs, and the defense can argue that this just means frozen water, and the jury can interpret it however they want.

but this is all pretty silly, because in context almost zero more evidence should be needed for a full blown investigation. we have a guy who was convicted of trafficking, and his accomplice maxwell was convicted of trafficking, but there is no one currently under investigation as being trafficked to. then a group of women come forward and say they were trafficked, and they have names of people they were trafficked to and abused by. the FBI refuses to take their testimony, covers up all of the files, has to be forced to release them by congress, redacts most of them into nothingness, and every time they're asked what investigations they're doing they say openly that they're not investigating anyone and strawman as if the question meant they need to hold public executions for anyone named in the files.

this whole evidence vs proof conversation is a gripe of mine. people simply dont understand what evidence means. its not proof, but people use them too synonymously and its led to a lot of confusion. anything can be evidence, not all of that evidence can be submitted to court, and it takes a LOT of evidence to prove something. there's literally whole law books written on the types of evidence you can't use in court, but its still all evidence. and evidence is what prompts investigation, to find out if enough admissible evidence is in existence to prompt a charge. so we really just need to ask is there enough evidence to support an investigation, and i think we agree yes. and is there a good faith investigation that will take place? my guess is no. we're on the brink of conflict in multiple areas and on the verge of an economic downturn. they're gonna drag their feet until something big enough comes to destract the public and nothing will come of anything.
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there are a list of literal accusers who are alleging crimes ranging from trafficking and statutory rape to full blown rape. but even if we're only looking at the scope of just the emails you're still wrong. police use communication between people using coded language all of the time as evidence admissible in a court of law. if they catch a drug ring at trial they can show messages like "when is the load of ice coming in". then the prosecutor can argue to the jury that this means drugs, and the defense can argue that this just means frozen water, and the jury can interpret it however they want.

but this is all pretty silly, because in context almost zero more evidence should be needed for a full blown investigation. we have a guy who was convicted of trafficking, and his accomplice maxwell was convicted of trafficking, but there is no one currently under investigation as being trafficked to. then a group of women come forward and say they were trafficked, and they have names of people they were trafficked to and abused by. the FBI refuses to take their testimony, covers up all of the files, has to be forced to release them by congress, redacts most of them into nothingness, and every time they're asked what investigations they're doing they say openly that they're not investigating anyone and strawman as if the question meant they need to hold public executions for anyone named in the files.

this whole evidence vs proof conversation is a gripe of mine. people simply dont understand what evidence means. its not proof, but people use them too synonymously and its led to a lot of confusion. anything can be evidence, not all of that evidence can be submitted to court, and it takes a LOT of evidence to prove something. there's literally whole law books written on the types of evidence you can't use in court, but its still all evidence. and evidence is what prompts investigation, to find out if enough admissible evidence is in existence to prompt a charge. so we really just need to ask is there enough evidence to support an investigation, and i think we agree yes. and is there a good faith investigation that will take place? my guess is no. we're on the brink of conflict in multiple areas and on the verge of an economic downturn. they're gonna drag their feet until something big enough comes to destract the public and nothing will come of anything.


You’re massively misunderstanding the legal definition of sex trafficking... Jeffrey Epstein is guilty sex trafficking even if there were no other “customers”. He was a “customer”. Maxwell is guilty of trafficking in the way you are imagining is the only way to be guilty of that crime, as she procured girls for Epstein(and possibly others).

As an example, Harvey Weinstein was charged(albeit unsuccessfully) with sex trafficking. The charge was not that he trafficked women “to” anyone.

The charge of(adult) sex trafficking requires it to be proven that “force, fraud or coercion” were used during a commercial sex act. This is not the case with minors. Committing a commercial sex act with a minor is always sex trafficking. Anyone found guilty of sexual crimes associated with Jeffrey Epstein will be found guilty of sex trafficking.

But, again, and hopefully for the last time, yes there is more than enough evidence to open an investigation. That is, zero evidence. The only thing you need to open an investigation is reasonable suspicion, which is a pretty low standard.
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You’re massively misunderstanding the legal definition of sex trafficking... Jeffrey Epstein is guilty sex trafficking even if there were no other “customers”. He was a “customer”. Maxwell is guilty of trafficking in the way you are imagining is the only way to be guilty of that crime, as she procured girls for Epstein(and possibly others).

As an example, Harvey Weinstein was charged(albeit unsuccessfully) with sex trafficking. The charge was not that he trafficked women “to” anyone.

The charge of(adult) sex trafficking requires it to be proven that “force, fraud or coercion” were used during a commercial sex act. This is not the case with minors. Committing a commercial sex act with a minor is always sex trafficking. Anyone found guilty of sexual crimes associated with Jeffrey Epstein will be found guilty of sex trafficking.

But, again, and hopefully for the last time, yes there is more than enough evidence to open an investigation. That is, zero evidence. The only thing you need to open an investigation is reasonable suspicion, which is a pretty low standard.


a small crowd of accusers willing to attend an actual congressional hearing to state the FBI wont respond to them is zero evidence, got it.

funny you agree an investigation is needed, but didnt state if you think a good faith investigation will happen. all while saying people are coming at trump to hard. pretty funny tbh.
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Feb 20 2026 02:19pm
a small crowd of accusers willing to attend an actual congressional hearing to state the FBI wont respond to them is zero evidence, got it.

funny you agree an investigation is needed, but didnt state if you think a good faith investigation will happen. all while saying people are coming at trump to hard. pretty funny tbh.


Well I didn’t say any of that, did I? You don’t get to decide what I believe. The things I wrote are quite clear. If you can’t be bothered to read and understand them that is on you, you don’t get to twist my argument into whatever it is that you want to argue against.

I don’t know whether a good faith investigation will occur, I am not in the habit of making pessimistic predictions.
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Feb 20 2026 02:35pm
Well I didn’t say any of that, did I? You don’t get to decide what I believe. The things I wrote are quite clear. If you can’t be bothered to read and understand them that is on you, you don’t get to twist my argument into whatever it is that you want to argue against.

I don’t know whether a good faith investigation will occur, I am not in the habit of making pessimistic predictions.


no, you didnt say any of it. that's the issue lol. you're not responding to things that directly disprove what you're claiming. you're responding to fluff.

you say there's zero evidence. i bring up the accusers. you dont respond.

you say people are coming down on trump only for political reasons. i state that because he's named most in the files and is in charge of the investigation that we're not likely to get a good faith investigation, especially because he's already tried to bury it and openly lied about the files not existing that we now have. and you didnt respond.

you're just dodging the hardest questions while saying i dont know what i am saying lol.

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no, you didnt say any of it. that's the issue lol. you're not responding to things that directly disprove what you're claiming. you're responding to fluff.

you say there's zero evidence. i bring up the accusers. you dont respond.

you say people are coming down on trump only for political reasons. i state that because he's named most in the files and is in charge of the investigation that we're not likely to get a good faith investigation, especially because he's already tried to bury it and openly lied about the files not existing that we now have. and you didnt respond.

you're just dodging the hardest questions while saying i dont know what i am saying lol.


I've responded to that more than once, you have only failed to read or understand what I said. Try hard this time. Allegations are not evidence, they are allegations. Evidence is used to prove allegations. There are allegations. There is not evidence. These are different things. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you to understand.

I never said "people are coming down on Trump only for political reasons." I said "What I don't agree with is what you guys have been doing, acting like the evidence against your political adversaries is already in our hands and anyone who doesn't believe that is stupid. The evidence is not there." Again, this is quite clear and you are attempting to distort it to fit your argument.

The second part of that point is not a question. But you are wrong that I didn't respond to it, when you stated it passive-aggressively it was obvious to me that you were asking a question, even though you did not phrase it this way. Here was my response, you just quoted it. "I don’t know whether a good faith investigation will occur, I am not in the habit of making pessimistic predictions."

Do you have a reason for expecting me to comment on every bit of speculation you or anyone else has? I prefer to stick to the facts as much as possible. The rest is gossip, it's ineffectual conversation best left to women and children.

If you ask me a question, I will answer it if I have an opinion as to the answer. It seems likely that you will purposely misunderstand anything I say anyway, but go ahead.
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I've responded to that more than once, you have only failed to read or understand what I said. Try hard this time. Allegations are not evidence, they are allegations. Evidence is used to prove allegations. There are allegations. There is not evidence. These are different things. I don't know how to make this any simpler for you to understand.

I never said "people are coming down on Trump only for political reasons." I said "What I don't agree with is what you guys have been doing, acting like the evidence against your political adversaries is already in our hands and anyone who doesn't believe that is stupid. The evidence is not there." Again, this is quite clear and you are attempting to distort it to fit your argument.

The second part of that point is not a question. But you are wrong that I didn't respond to it, when you stated it passive-aggressively it was obvious to me that you were asking a question, even though you did not phrase it this way. Here was my response, you just quoted it. "I don’t know whether a good faith investigation will occur, I am not in the habit of making pessimistic predictions."

Do you have a reason for expecting me to comment on every bit of speculation you or anyone else has? I prefer to stick to the facts as much as possible. The rest is gossip, it's ineffectual conversation best left to women and children.

If you ask me a question, I will answer it if I have an opinion as to the answer. It seems likely that you will purposely misunderstand anything I say anyway, but go ahead.


behold the complete and utter moral collapse of the american conservative right
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behold the complete and utter moral collapse of the american conservative right


I’m not a conservative. If you’d like to actually say something though I’d be happy to respond.
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